Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
The United Kingdom is shocked and appalled at the number of nations that evidently consider Spain to be their business and their business alone.
Capto Iugulum
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Nintz
King of the Britons
From: Republican Spain
To: The World
We would like to echo the UK in stating that this war we face is important. Not just for Spain, but for all those who count themselves as democratic and free. Even those who are monarchists are entitled to defend their beliefs, same as everyone else.
To: The World
We would like to echo the UK in stating that this war we face is important. Not just for Spain, but for all those who count themselves as democratic and free. Even those who are monarchists are entitled to defend their beliefs, same as everyone else.
So far, I am the only one who has made any real offers of peace. Currently, there still remains a cease fire in place between the Second Union and the United States, and it only exists because I reached out to the Second Union with an olive branch. They took it, and only made demands. I consider my struggle to be very similar to the struggle of the Spanish Monarch. I sympathize with them, as they too have recently become the victim of Brazilian imperialism. It is very clear that the biggest threat to the stability of the world is the Empire of Brazil, who holds no respect for the sovereignty of nations and and the long established precedents of how they should act on the world stage. Even the confused Proletarists do not pose as big a threat as the Amazon Menace.
Fundamentally, though I believe that the United States must one day be reunited, and in the shadow of Scott, the respect I hold for the good people of the nation is too great, and I will not cast the first stone, should hostilities resume. I firmly believe that one day all Americans can see the true glory that lies in conservatism and patriotism, and when that day comes, the United States shall truly be reunited. Perhaps the Second Union will foolishly attack us, and will then die a quicker death, but if this war is to resume, it shall solely be because of hostile actions undertaken by the armed forces of the Second Union.
Fundamentally, though I believe that the United States must one day be reunited, and in the shadow of Scott, the respect I hold for the good people of the nation is too great, and I will not cast the first stone, should hostilities resume. I firmly believe that one day all Americans can see the true glory that lies in conservatism and patriotism, and when that day comes, the United States shall truly be reunited. Perhaps the Second Union will foolishly attack us, and will then die a quicker death, but if this war is to resume, it shall solely be because of hostile actions undertaken by the armed forces of the Second Union.
TheLizardKing
Let's talk Michelle.
To: Brazil
From: Germany
To war it is, jungle rats.
From: Germany
To war it is, jungle rats.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
So, you've declared war on Brazil?
TheLizardKing
Let's talk Michelle.
No. We haven't. We have however announced very publicly that we intend to insure that our long-time friends and allies, the Monarchist Spain, does not get attacked by belligerent second-rate powers, with a few poor excuses for nations in mind. Our ships, airforce, soldiers and capital aid, at the invite of the Spanish government, intend to make sure that we make good on that promise. Should Brazil wish to brazenly ignore our previous public announcement, it does so, knowing full well that repercussions will follow. No Brazillian ships or soldiers are to be allowed entry into Spanish territorial waters, unless the Spanish Monarchy, the rightful rulers of Spain, wish for them to be there. We remain true to our word.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
What about that period of history where Brandenburg was a British ally, then a sellout in the war effort with Russia? The German and Spanish history as allies is a myth. The Emperor of Spain is a tyrant, having stole power from the elected government. The true, elected government of Spain (Republicans) has invited Brazilian aid, and we intend to continue forward. We never offered to put boots on the ground in Spain, but seeing the German threat to democracy in Iberia, we have no other choice than to send a fleet to Europe.
To: Allied Territories of America
From: Vinland
So, you cast yourself in the same light as the Monarchy of Spain, which has sided with a military coup against the democratic government. How... appropriate.
To more pressing matters, however, you cannot attempt to claim some fictitious moral high ground in not 'casting the first stone'. Consider the fact that you are presently an illegal military rebellion, one which has unlawfully seized a vast swath of territory. You cannot push yourself into a position of fleeting advantage, and then expect that your offer of white peace can be considered reasonable. You cannot simply seize what is not yours to govern, and then view an attempt to take it back as baseless aggression.
Finally, your characterization of yourself as a peacemaker is laughable. Vinland has, in almost every one of our recent correspondences, offered a chance for your peaceful reintegration into the Second Union. It has been naught but your own sheer incorrigibility that has prevented this peace from being achieved.
From: Vinland
So, you cast yourself in the same light as the Monarchy of Spain, which has sided with a military coup against the democratic government. How... appropriate.
To more pressing matters, however, you cannot attempt to claim some fictitious moral high ground in not 'casting the first stone'. Consider the fact that you are presently an illegal military rebellion, one which has unlawfully seized a vast swath of territory. You cannot push yourself into a position of fleeting advantage, and then expect that your offer of white peace can be considered reasonable. You cannot simply seize what is not yours to govern, and then view an attempt to take it back as baseless aggression.
Finally, your characterization of yourself as a peacemaker is laughable. Vinland has, in almost every one of our recent correspondences, offered a chance for your peaceful reintegration into the Second Union. It has been naught but your own sheer incorrigibility that has prevented this peace from being achieved.
Agent 89
King
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To: The World
From: Sardinia
The Spanish Civil War is the affair of the Spanish people, and Sardinia firmly believes that it should remain so. Though we support Republican Spain, we have pledged to do so without intervening militarily. All foriegn support for either faction should remain solely economic. We note that neither Brazil nor any other nation had threatened to send troops to Spain, and that the recent escalation of tensions seems to be due to a misunderstanding of their statement. We urge all nations to refrain from giving military aid to either faction, and from attempting to hinder any non-military ships from entering Spanish waters.
From: Sardinia
The Spanish Civil War is the affair of the Spanish people, and Sardinia firmly believes that it should remain so. Though we support Republican Spain, we have pledged to do so without intervening militarily. All foriegn support for either faction should remain solely economic. We note that neither Brazil nor any other nation had threatened to send troops to Spain, and that the recent escalation of tensions seems to be due to a misunderstanding of their statement. We urge all nations to refrain from giving military aid to either faction, and from attempting to hinder any non-military ships from entering Spanish waters.
To: The World
From: Italy
We completely agree with Sardinia's suggestion, we should not allow this civil war to escalate into a second great war or even a minor regional war. There is no reason for other nations to get involved other then economically.
From: Italy
We completely agree with Sardinia's suggestion, we should not allow this civil war to escalate into a second great war or even a minor regional war. There is no reason for other nations to get involved other then economically.
I will not my nation to fall to the menace of liberalism any further than it already has. Perhaps we do not see eye to eye, but your offers of "peace" have been nothing but demands that we forfeit our nation. We view the Spanish insurrection against the rightful monarch to be similar to the liberal insurrection we currently face. That the rebel state of the UAR and the Charleston Government which had (by the words of Brazil) been forced into liberal reforms by foreign powers have united does not make them the rightful and legal government in our eyes.
If Vinland wishes for me to go to war, then by all means, force my hand. If you wish to not see millions of more people die unnecessarily, then let the cease fire remain in place.
To: Germany
We congratulate you for standing up to Brazilian tyranny.
If Vinland wishes for me to go to war, then by all means, force my hand. If you wish to not see millions of more people die unnecessarily, then let the cease fire remain in place.
To: Germany
We congratulate you for standing up to Brazilian tyranny.
ZeletDude
The Lion
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The Republic of The United Netherlands would like to announce that we hereby recognize The Spanish Republicans as the sole legitimate government of Spain. Though do not be fooled, we are not aiming at getting involved in this conflict at all, we just feel that the Republican ideals of The Spanish Republicans are more in tune with our own ideals. This recognition is merely diplomatic, and no Dutch aid will be sent to either side.
TheLastJacobite
No Commies
The Empire of Russia is aiding the Spanish government because they asked for our aid. As they stood by us during the Great War, we will stand by them as foreign nations attempt to usurp their rightful, centuries old government in the name of the chaotic and devastating tempest that is republicanism.
Please, General Wallace, deliberate obtuseness is so unbecoming of you. Your removal shan't be nearly as bloody as you'd like to boast.
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
OOC: hey, Russia or Rome, could you re-send me that treaty? I had to clear my PMs recently, and that got deleted.
A bet, General Wallace? You say it as if it would be a gamble.
Now, onto more relevant affairs.
*****
The Genealogy of Emperor Harald II of Scandinavia and King Ingvar I of Vinland
Alright, I’ve done some detective work and dug through the old updates of the first thread to come up with the history of the Scandinavian Monarchy, as best as I can.
Kristina II succeeded Gustav IV Adolph in 1835. Nothing was noted of her age, so I’ll put her at being 16 years old upon the time of her coronation, giving her a birth date of 1819. Harald I popped out of the woodwork as the ‘True King of Norway in the 1840s. This particular story doesn’t get a ton of coverage, beyond the idea of a lineage being uncovered, Harald’s brief arrest, and then his meeting and marrying Kristina in 1846. He would die in 1852. Given the understanding that Harald II is the child of Kristina II and Harold I, the current Emperor Harald II’s birth year would have to be between 1846 and 1853, when Kristina II was between 27 and 34 years old.
Ingvar I has been established as having been born to Sofia, the younger sister of Kristina II. Sofia must have been born some time between late 1819 and 1836. As Sofia is a figure of my own literary creation, I’ll peg her birth date at 1831- perhaps an ‘unexpected surprise’ for Gustav IV Adolph and his wife, who I suspect may have had fertility issues. Sofia and Kristina II’s mother, the as-of-yet unnamed wife of Gustav IV Adolph, could have reasonably been in her early 20s when Kristina II was born, and in her early to mid 30s when Sofia was born. I’ll peg her lifespan at 1796-1853, imagining that she may have passed away comparatively young, based on complications from health problems early in her life, and name her ‘Queen Margareta’ on the assumption that she has not yet been named.
While I had previously noted that Ingvar’s father was not recorded in the NES, I found in the ‘Building the 20th Century Thread’ that Vinland had a King named ‘Konrad’ for a brief period between Kristina’s requested abdication from the throne of Vinland in 1895, after her second publically-acknowledged stroke. Konrad I reigned for four years, before passing away and being succeeded by his son, Ingvar I, who remains King to this day. Ingvar I married Lilian, a member of the Pomeranian cadet branch of the Scandinavian Royal Family, and has 3 children.
There are a few places to add onto this family tree. For a start, Ingvar I and Harold II of Vinland and Scandinavia, respectively, each probably have some siblings. I have not detailed Harald II’s family, I’ll leave that up to Lord of Elves and Jason The King to outline.
The family ties of King Konrad I of Vinland, Queen Lilian of Vinland, and Harald II’s wife (the nominal Empress of Scandinavia) have not been solidly determined.
The earlier ancestry of Scandinavian Emperor Gustav IV Adolph, Empress Margareta, and the unclear origins of Harald I of Norway are also good areas in need of additions.
Finally, Sofia and Kristina may have relations from their ill-fated relations with the Prince of Portugal and Crown Prince of Poland respectively.
Altogether, the goal of this project is to begin to work out the genealogical mess and the timeline of Capto Iugulum’s Royal Families. Over the next little while, I hope to begin to attach this small family tree to the family trees of other monarchies in the nations of other players.
As always, if anyone has any more important details to add to this tree, or any corrections to offer, don’t hesitate to bring them up, the sooner the better.
Now, onto more relevant affairs.
*****
The Genealogy of Emperor Harald II of Scandinavia and King Ingvar I of Vinland
Alright, I’ve done some detective work and dug through the old updates of the first thread to come up with the history of the Scandinavian Monarchy, as best as I can.
Kristina II succeeded Gustav IV Adolph in 1835. Nothing was noted of her age, so I’ll put her at being 16 years old upon the time of her coronation, giving her a birth date of 1819. Harald I popped out of the woodwork as the ‘True King of Norway in the 1840s. This particular story doesn’t get a ton of coverage, beyond the idea of a lineage being uncovered, Harald’s brief arrest, and then his meeting and marrying Kristina in 1846. He would die in 1852. Given the understanding that Harald II is the child of Kristina II and Harold I, the current Emperor Harald II’s birth year would have to be between 1846 and 1853, when Kristina II was between 27 and 34 years old.
Ingvar I has been established as having been born to Sofia, the younger sister of Kristina II. Sofia must have been born some time between late 1819 and 1836. As Sofia is a figure of my own literary creation, I’ll peg her birth date at 1831- perhaps an ‘unexpected surprise’ for Gustav IV Adolph and his wife, who I suspect may have had fertility issues. Sofia and Kristina II’s mother, the as-of-yet unnamed wife of Gustav IV Adolph, could have reasonably been in her early 20s when Kristina II was born, and in her early to mid 30s when Sofia was born. I’ll peg her lifespan at 1796-1853, imagining that she may have passed away comparatively young, based on complications from health problems early in her life, and name her ‘Queen Margareta’ on the assumption that she has not yet been named.
While I had previously noted that Ingvar’s father was not recorded in the NES, I found in the ‘Building the 20th Century Thread’ that Vinland had a King named ‘Konrad’ for a brief period between Kristina’s requested abdication from the throne of Vinland in 1895, after her second publically-acknowledged stroke. Konrad I reigned for four years, before passing away and being succeeded by his son, Ingvar I, who remains King to this day. Ingvar I married Lilian, a member of the Pomeranian cadet branch of the Scandinavian Royal Family, and has 3 children.
There are a few places to add onto this family tree. For a start, Ingvar I and Harold II of Vinland and Scandinavia, respectively, each probably have some siblings. I have not detailed Harald II’s family, I’ll leave that up to Lord of Elves and Jason The King to outline.
The family ties of King Konrad I of Vinland, Queen Lilian of Vinland, and Harald II’s wife (the nominal Empress of Scandinavia) have not been solidly determined.
The earlier ancestry of Scandinavian Emperor Gustav IV Adolph, Empress Margareta, and the unclear origins of Harald I of Norway are also good areas in need of additions.
Finally, Sofia and Kristina may have relations from their ill-fated relations with the Prince of Portugal and Crown Prince of Poland respectively.
Altogether, the goal of this project is to begin to work out the genealogical mess and the timeline of Capto Iugulum’s Royal Families. Over the next little while, I hope to begin to attach this small family tree to the family trees of other monarchies in the nations of other players.
As always, if anyone has any more important details to add to this tree, or any corrections to offer, don’t hesitate to bring them up, the sooner the better.
Lord of Elves
Suede-Denim Secret Police
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@Lord Iggy, that's impressive work. You have my seal of approval, though I don't have much to offer in terms of where Harald I came from as the "true King of Norway". I had always assumed he was some kind of extremely vague, uppity aristocrat, and I seem to recall discussing ways I could have had him killed before it became clear that the Scandinavian compromise was possible. Depending on that, his lineage could be entirely circumstantial or somehow actually related to medieval Norwegian royalty. It's important to note that Gustav Adolph and his wife (who may have been royal consort, instead of queen) were not emperors/empresses Scandinavian or otherwise, but that Gustav Adolph's title was King-Emperor of the Swedish Empire, King of Sweden and Norway, by the Grace of God (etc). The imperial title, and the resulting political reform and integration of Norway, was created as a part of the Act of Union and was the basic premise of the Scandinavian compromise.
Technically speaking in this scenario apt titles for the state would have been the United Kingdom of Scandinavia or the United Empire of Scandinavia, but I never liked either of those, and went with the more eponymous and self-explanatory Empire of Scandinavia. Monarchical titles followed.
Technically speaking in this scenario apt titles for the state would have been the United Kingdom of Scandinavia or the United Empire of Scandinavia, but I never liked either of those, and went with the more eponymous and self-explanatory Empire of Scandinavia. Monarchical titles followed.
