aimeeandbeatles
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Can someone have background on this? I don't know much and Wikipedia is hard to understand 
Casey Anthony found Not Guilty
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From what I remember -
Casey Anthony was a young woman whose daughter Kaley went missing and she didn't report it for like 2 months and she was out partying with her friends. Eventually her own mother, the girl's grandmother found out and made her daughter call the police about it. Casey told the police some non-existent Mexican woman she knew kidnapped her. No one who knew Casey had ever heard of this woman.
The police noticed it smelled like a dead body had been in the trunk of her car but she said the smell came from some old pizza.
Eventually the police found the girl's body near the grandparents house after a heavy rainfall and there was duct tape attached to the body. It all seemed pretty suspicious but no hard evidence.
I could be wrong about some of these details and left out additional ones so correct me if I'm wrong people.
-- Had to edit since I mixed up the names Case and Kaley a couple of times. Sorry to people who already read it.
Casey Anthony was a young woman whose daughter Kaley went missing and she didn't report it for like 2 months and she was out partying with her friends. Eventually her own mother, the girl's grandmother found out and made her daughter call the police about it. Casey told the police some non-existent Mexican woman she knew kidnapped her. No one who knew Casey had ever heard of this woman.
The police noticed it smelled like a dead body had been in the trunk of her car but she said the smell came from some old pizza.
Eventually the police found the girl's body near the grandparents house after a heavy rainfall and there was duct tape attached to the body. It all seemed pretty suspicious but no hard evidence.
I could be wrong about some of these details and left out additional ones so correct me if I'm wrong people.
-- Had to edit since I mixed up the names Case and Kaley a couple of times. Sorry to people who already read it.
Dreadnought
Deity
Casey was a woman; OJ was black. The two most flagrant examples you can find.
Nancy Grace is a disgrace to the legal profession and everything Jolly is saying about her is absolutely correct. I am blissfully and intentionally ignorant of the Casey Anthony trial but it sounds like nothing has changed with Ms. Grace. She is always, always wrong. In fact if you ever do have to listen to her, the safest course of action would be adopting the opposite of what she is saying as a matter of course.
Some light reading on her can be found here. Relevant tidbits:
The article points out that she also lied in her memoir, called "Objections." The irony of the title of her book is...amusing.
She also had a questionable ethics record as a prosecutor. This blog posts recounts some of her biggest blemishes:
Some light reading on her can be found here. Relevant tidbits:
The article points out that she also lied in her memoir, called "Objections." The irony of the title of her book is...amusing.
She also had a questionable ethics record as a prosecutor. This blog posts recounts some of her biggest blemishes:
I blame the CSI effect - people believe in science being the smoking gun that should give a definite answer. They can't put 2 and 2 together - it has to be right there.
I mean, come on, found her dead body in a pool and duct tape the mouth and throw the body in the woods out of panic to make it look like a murder? Jesus christ. THAT is plausible explanation for the death in the minds of the jury? Why not just go with that ape that tore that womans face off has come back from the dead and killed her?
Edit - but the bottom line is the jury does not hear the media and all the opinions that we do. They have to come up with their own - and in courtrooms it is not about the evidence. It's about which lawyer can twist and bend the information the best to their advantage.
I mean, come on, found her dead body in a pool and duct tape the mouth and throw the body in the woods out of panic to make it look like a murder? Jesus christ. THAT is plausible explanation for the death in the minds of the jury? Why not just go with that ape that tore that womans face off has come back from the dead and killed her?
Edit - but the bottom line is the jury does not hear the media and all the opinions that we do. They have to come up with their own - and in courtrooms it is not about the evidence. It's about which lawyer can twist and bend the information the best to their advantage.
Cynovolans
Not in my dimension.
I think she blamed a real person, who's now suing her for defamation.
The person she blamed existed, but they had never met. Her story has tons of holes. With the evidence against Casey, there is no way she could have been completely not involved in the death of her child. At the very least, get her for child negligence.
I agree about the whole CSI effect thing, things rarely work out so cleanly in real life cases. Lots of convictions are based on a mountain of circumstantial evidence.
I agree about the whole CSI effect thing, things rarely work out so cleanly in real life cases. Lots of convictions are based on a mountain of circumstantial evidence.
The criminal justice system is biased in favor of blacks?
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
So I didn't pay attention to the trial at all, but could jollyroger (or fredlc if he is here) or some other person that does know law explain why it may have helped to not have the defendant testify? At least I think I heard that on the tv right when the case was going to a close.
I mean, if I was a juror I would want a person with apparent holes in their story to testify in their own case against them.
I mean, if I was a juror I would want a person with apparent holes in their story to testify in their own case against them.
Wolfbeckett
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OJ was RICH and FAMOUS, those are the words you should have been looking for Dreadnought. The fact that he's black actually hurts his chances in the legal system.
PeteAtoms
FormulaRandom
I only tuned in for the last week of the case and I'm not familiar with all the pundit analysis that went on during the long period of time before I even tuned in.
Without any exposure to the rest of the case, I felt the defense's closing argument on Saturday (I think) was way better than the prosecution's following rebuttal. So I am not surprised by what happened. Whether one side actually had the facts right or not, I don't know. The defense's argument was a lot of talk about reasonable doubt. They just did a better job at speaking to the jury.
No surprise to see the reporters condemning her for smiling and showing signs of relief. Also no surprise to see them basically calling for blood. "A little girl is dead, was justice done?" I get the sense that most Americans could care less about the truth, as long as someone is punished and dealt with harshly, doesn't matter who, but someone must pay. That's the way that a lot of the reporters came off to me. Don't get me wrong, I still think that C. Anthony is a horrible person and probably involved somehow. She's obviously a psychologically messed up liar.
Without any exposure to the rest of the case, I felt the defense's closing argument on Saturday (I think) was way better than the prosecution's following rebuttal. So I am not surprised by what happened. Whether one side actually had the facts right or not, I don't know. The defense's argument was a lot of talk about reasonable doubt. They just did a better job at speaking to the jury.
No surprise to see the reporters condemning her for smiling and showing signs of relief. Also no surprise to see them basically calling for blood. "A little girl is dead, was justice done?" I get the sense that most Americans could care less about the truth, as long as someone is punished and dealt with harshly, doesn't matter who, but someone must pay. That's the way that a lot of the reporters came off to me. Don't get me wrong, I still think that C. Anthony is a horrible person and probably involved somehow. She's obviously a psychologically messed up liar.
Because a skilled prosecutor would shread someone like Casey Anthony. If you had a ham sandwich for lunch, a skilled prosecutor would not only indict you for something criminally related to your lunch, but also get a grand jury to indict the ham sandwich. Even though I feel the prosecution was outlawyered here, they were still highly skilled.
By law, the defendant does not have to prove anything or cover up holes. The prosecution does. Putting the defendant on the stand generally only helps the prosecution. If I was charged with a crime (even if I were innocent), I would likely not take the stand in my defense, even if I felt I could handle the cross examination from the prosecutor. It is a huge risk and you just have to live with the fact that some jurors may wonder why they didn't hear from the defendant. You do your best to cover this reason at voir dire (jury selection) and in closing.
Berzerker
Deity
so they have no idea how the child died?
I think they do, they just couldn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt before the jury.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Having read a bit more about this it seems to me like the prosecution either didn't do a good enough job or just didn't have much of a case to begin with.
I'm surprised this woman isn't being charged with putting her child in harm's way, or some charge like that.
I'm surprised this woman isn't being charged with putting her child in harm's way, or some charge like that.
I think the OJ jury was out for only 4 hours. If they worked from the lesser charges on up and found out they had acquittal by the time they got to the lesser of the more serious charges, then it could be done quickly. If I had been a juror that thought the prosecution didn't make its case, I would have manipulated my fellow jurors with such an approach, though prepared for a knock-down drag out on the less serious of the more serious charges. Apparently that knock-down drag out did not occur.
Dreadnought
Deity
The criminal justice system is biased in favor of blacks?
Reread that case and you'll agree with me.
Reread what case? I represent criminal defendants on a regular basis and I can tell you from my experience that blacks are not catching any breaks.
