GoodSarmatian
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tomsnowman123 said:
I really don't get it. Do you want us to return to the stone age ?
Change the system
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I really don't get it. Do you want us to return to the stone age ?
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
GoodSarmatian said:
I really don't get it. Do you want us to return to the stone age ?
No, I don't want to return to the stone age, I just think that type of lifestyle is good, there are a lot of advantages.
edited typo.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
The whole "let's cripple humanity so that it will be harmless" argument offends me.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Erik Mesoy said:
I never said "let's cripple humanity." I just think we need to consider where we are as a species and implement some vast changes.
blackheart
unenlightened
Here's the deal with capitalism: not everyone can be successful. It's a pyramidal eocnomic structure, and guess who's on bottom and who's on top?
If 6 billion humans were to give up modern society and live as hunter-gatherers, we would destroy the environment within a decade.
tomsnowman123 said:
If 6 billion humans were to give up modern society and live as hunter-gatherers, we would destroy the environment within a decade.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
blackheart said:
That's why I agree we don't have to implement it, because it would cause millions, if not billions to die. It would be cool if we could do it, but ecovillages will be just fine.
And capatalism, not very good, imo. The people at the top have way too much power and control. And that's just one problem with it.
Neonanocyborgasm
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Bozo Erectus said:
Doesn't matter. If you fail to achieve what you want, it's not necessariy your fault, but don't go blaming "the system", as if American society has it somehow in for you. Not everyone can achieve great things in life, but at least the opportunity is there. Consider yourself lucky opportunity even exists. In some countries, there is no such hope.
Doesn't tell me anything. There are people who are completely bankrupt, and yet they are carrying on. Lack of money isn't a crime in the United States. This isn't 19th century England, and we don't have debtors prisons. The worst that could happen to you if you don't have money is creditors annoying you inceasantly.
What I can understand is if your friend decided that his opportunities were lacking elsewhere, and decided the military was a great means of advancement. I suspect this is sooner the case, not just debt.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I'm doing Navy ROTC because the Navy pays for my college, which is rediculously expensive in the US, and I'm far from poor. Does that mean I'm a victim of the system? I think not. I'd join the Navy even if I was rich enough to afford shelling out 20K a year
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
I'd like to know who is defined as being "rich" and who is "poor." I think I'd much rather be a person with a low income today than I would in the 1970s.tomsnowman123 said:
I also resent your implying that people with lower incomes need assistance to survive. I don't want your pity or your condescending attitude towards lower income Americans.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
rmsharpe said:
The wealthiest ten percent of Americans are 15 times richer than the bottom ten percent. In Japan, for example, the ratio is only 4.2:1. From 1983 to 2001, the bottom 80% of the population in terms of net worth has seen a decrease in the overall percentage they make up of in net worth. The bottom 80% accounted for 18.7% of America's net worth in 1983, it was only 15.% in 2001. The percentage of Americans living in poverty rose to 12.1 percent from 11.7 percent in 2001. About 34.6 million people were in poverty in 2002, 1.7 million more than in 2001. The top 1% of the wealthiest people in America own about one third of America's total weatlh.
The gap is increasing. I do not have a condescending view towards the poor, I just have a view that many of them are put into tough situations. We can help them out. Wealth tax and inheritance tax are just some of the things that could help.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
This is why we need a flat tax, based on percentage of income. Imagine what that could do for us
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Cheezy the Wiz said:
Prgressive income and wealth tax sounds good.
blackheart
unenlightened
tomsnowman123 said:
It's true that the rich are getting richer whilst the poor are getting poorer, but exactly how is an inheritance even fair, how does it help out the poor? And what's a wealth tax?
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
its fair too, thats what's so great ( other than being a simplified tax system). I mean, lets say taxes are a simple number like 33% of your income. If I make 100K a year, thats 33,333 dollars i pay out. If I make 15k a year, that 5K i pay out, not really that bad.
You know what, Tom, you and I ought to run for President. Co-President kinda thing. I'll take care of the foreign plicy mostly, and you mostly do the domestic policy, with some overlapping of course. And don't worry, I'm not as bad as you think at the warmongering. I'd at least wait to be attacked or being asked to help before absolutely crushing our enemies.
Whatya say?
You know what, Tom, you and I ought to run for President. Co-President kinda thing. I'll take care of the foreign plicy mostly, and you mostly do the domestic policy, with some overlapping of course. And don't worry, I'm not as bad as you think at the warmongering. I'd at least wait to be attacked or being asked to help before absolutely crushing our enemies.
Whatya say?
CaptainF
The Professional Poster
Some poor people are lazy. Always have been always will be. (AHB,AWB)
Some poor people are hard working. (AHB,AWB)
Some rich people are lazy. (AHB,AWB)
Some rich people are hardworking.(AHB,AWB)
There is no concrete explanation. Not all people are poor because they are lazy, not all people are rich because they work hard.
Reality doesn't work like that.
Some poor people are hard working. (AHB,AWB)
Some rich people are lazy. (AHB,AWB)
Some rich people are hardworking.(AHB,AWB)
There is no concrete explanation. Not all people are poor because they are lazy, not all people are rich because they work hard.
Reality doesn't work like that.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Cheezy the Wiz said:
We have agreed on several things tonight (although, I am thinking you'll be upset about a certain post I mad in another thread).
blackheart said:
These taxe would help create a living wage, and we need to gurantee everybody the right to a job. My idea of wealth tax would be to enact a steeply progressive tax on net wealth over $2.5 million (about the top 5% of households or so).
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
yea i saw it. Thats the thing though, if we agreed all the time, where would we get? Conflicting opinions are absolutely necisarry(sp?) to the functioning of government. That's why cronyism is so bad, you just get yesmen, and no one to stand there and say "this is a bad idea" or " why dont we do this?"
SO you and I diagreeing is what makes us better leaders.
I want your persmission before I post our campaign thread in OT
SO you and I diagreeing is what makes us better leaders.
I want your persmission before I post our campaign thread in OT
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Cheezy the Wiz said:
You have my permission, you talk sense.
Edit: As long as the thread is within the rules.
blackheart
unenlightened
tomsnowman123 said:
How?...
Cheezy the Wiz said:
By the time tomsnowman123 can run, one of the other CFC members will have already conquered the world
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
blackheart said:
How... to enact it? Pass a bill. Or do you mean how it would help? Strengthen social security, public health care, unemployment insurance.
