Check Your Privilege

[Kyriakos]

Actually the white, western, cis-gendered, straight male is the most priviledged creature on this planet.

Probably only a tiny fraction of those have actual privileges. And that is just if you arbitrarily view the planet as just european/euro colony states. Some random white guy in middle of nowhere US with little to no money isn't really privileged at all, let alone next to other groups in other parts of the world and/or wealthy/oligarchs.

 

[luiz]

Actually the white, western, cis-gendered, straight male is the most priviledged creature on this planet.

I don't know, I think that [male] citizens of any Gulf state are fare more privileged than white, western, straight males (I don't know and don't want to know what cis-gendered is).

 

[useless]

I don't know, I think that [male] citizens of any Gulf state are fare more privileged than white, western, straight males (I don't know and don't want to know what cis-gendered is).

Cis-gendered people are people born in the right-body, aka non-transgendered people.

 

[Oruc]

Actually the white, western, cis-gendered, straight male is the most priviledged creature on this planet.

Look at this guy coming in here telling us about our lives, why don't you try listening for a change.

 

[useless]

Look at this guy coming in here telling us about our lives, why don't you try listening for a change.

I qualify for 3-4 out 5, im pretty sure i can talk about it, given my experiences.

 

[Ryika]

I qualify for 3-4 out 5, im pretty sure i can talk about it, given my experiences.

You're basically a male, cis-gendered man who's never had any problems in his life other than his girl-friend finding out about his secret affair with a man who lives in an area where life is like that for everybody around.. and think the lives of everybody who shares these 3-5 characteristics must be like that?

Do me, a person who is non-binary, and not just a little, but a little more than a little, a favor and check your "I feel like I can judge others."-privilege.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I qualify for 3-4 out 5, im pretty sure i can talk about it, given my experiences.

I qualify for five out of five and debate this with my sister pretty regularly. There may be an advantage one way or the other here or there, but the final score is pretty close. The most telling argument is that my sister always viewed the old "be a housewife and be provided for and taken care of" choice as absolute anathema, but for her it still was a choice. I have no experience of making any choice for or against that, it was just not an available option I had to consider. So when it comes to having choices in life, she had more, and she admits it...grudgingly.

 

[luiz]

Cis-gendered people are people born in the right-body, aka non-transgendered people.

OK, so it just means non-transgendered. That's fine, but I think it's also useless as anyone would automatically assume "non-transgendered" unless specifically otherwise stated. After all, transgendered people are estimated to be less than 0.3% of the overall population, so I don't think we need to always specify something (cis-gendered) that applies to 99.7% of the people.

 

[useless]

You're basically a male, cis-gendered man who's never had any problems in his life other than his girl-friend finding out about his secret affair with a man who lives in an area where life is like that for everybody around.. and think the lives of everybody who shares these 3-5 characteristics must be like that?

Do me, a person who is non-binary, and not just a little, but a little more than a little, a favor and check your "I feel like I can judge others."-privilege.

That's a lot of projection there my friend, would you care to discuss it?

Since you seem to know so much about me, im sure you can go ahead and tell everyone here about my life growing up, my childhood, etc, everything about me right, Ryika?

Also you're not non-binary, that's just you adopting it so you can attack and mock cheezy and given it's you, i am not really willing to extend the benefit of the doubt.

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[Flying Pig]

This is getting ridiculous. It's one thing to reserve judgement and avoid questioning people's relation of their own experiences without a good reason; it's quite another to turn it into a bizarre sort of Four Yorkshiremen sketch.

 

[Borachio]

I qualify for five out of five and debate this with my sister pretty regularly. There may be an advantage one way or the other here or there, but the final score is pretty close. The most telling argument is that my sister always viewed the old "be a housewife and be provided for and taken care of" choice as absolute anathema, but for her it still was a choice. I have no experience of making any choice for or against that, it was just not an available option I had to consider. So when it comes to having choices in life, she had more, and she admits it...grudgingly.

Oh come on now! You've certainly more imagination than this.

Did you never consider becoming a kept man? Even if only as an outside - scarcely to be entertained - possibility?

Surely one of the most popular fantasies is finding a rich old widow to take of a young man who'd really rather not bother with the rough and tumble of making a living.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh come on now! You've certainly more imagination than this.

Did you never consider becoming a kept man? Even if only as an outside - scarcely to be entertained - possibility?

Surely one of the most popular fantasies is finding a rich old widow to take of a young man who'd really rather not bother with the rough and tumble of making a living.

That's not a readily available option, it's an extreme challenge...and it was even more challenging thirty years ago.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

To me it seems rather insane to judge an individual person's level of privilege not on their actual level of privilege, but on the sum of all their average potential privileges based on the broad demographics they belong to, even if this theoretical average privilege doesn't gel with reality at all. And that's even if you were going on some genuine average, rather than the bizarrely fictional average where all white men are CEOs who live in palaces.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I think it's really weird that the only way you guys can imagine women being right about something is to act like it's all authoritarian to insist that people know their own situation better than someone else who doesn't share it

And I think it's really weird that you actually think that this is what's been going on in this thread. The level of delusion it must take to interpret people disagreeing with YOU as them disagreeing with all women ever, or a blanket statement that women can't be right about anything AT ALL, is staggering. You can only read it this way if you genuinely believe that you are indeed the spokesperson for all women in the world and that you/they can only be either 100% right or 100% wrong about everything. If you genuinely think either of those things then you probably need psychiatric help. And no that's not flaming it's genuine advice.

And it's particularly weird because even the things that you think people were disagreeing with you about (like that women should be allowed access to abortion) never even happened anyway. Literally no-one was arguing against that in this thread. For my part my only real disagreement was that you were (seemingly) using large numbers for hyperbolic effect only and not acknowledging the fact that the numbers you were quoting didn't actually have much meaning either way without more information. Like I said, you must be viewing this through a particularly thick ideological lens to get such twisted interpretations of what's being said to you.

 

[Narz]

Actually I'm non-binary, so yeah I am a little.

You're not a little woman just by claiming you are anymore than I'm a little Chinese cause I know how to say Ni Hou.

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Actually the white, western, cis-gendered, straight male is the most priviledged creature on this planet.

The most privileged creatures are the one with money. Some homeless drunk sleeping in the street is not more privileged than Ru Paul.

"Check your privilege" seems to be basically a dickhead way of saying "appreciate what you have" which is good advice though I suspect the dispenser of such advice is not appreciating what they have, including the right to make such statements.

This thread is an avalanche of moronicism as usual per these types of threads (with the usual male suspects claiming they speak for all females, other races, etc), I almost wish I had enough interest to have fun with all the goobledeegook but where's the payoff.

 

[Narz]

Another thing that should be noted is that privilege is a GOOD thing. The idea is not that we should shame certain groups for having more but make sure that equal has equal privileges in our world.

Certainly the civil rights movement is needed now more than ever with income inequality @ record highs are those representing us pretty much representing corporate interests over human interests.

Remember, the elites LOVE when people bicker over race, sexuality, nationality, religion, etc. etc. The peasants squabbling amongst each other distracts from the real antagonists in our world who dominate us all far more than Joey dominates Rodrigo or Marissa.

 

[Narz]

And I think it's really weird that you actually think that this is what's been going on in this thread. The level of delusion it must take to interpret people disagreeing with YOU as them disagreeing with all women ever, or a blanket statement that women can't be right about anything AT ALL, is staggering. You can only read it this way if you genuinely believe that you are indeed the spokesperson for all women in the world and that you/they can only be either 100% right or 100% wrong about everything. If you genuinely think either of those things then you probably need psychiatric help. And no that's not flaming it's genuine advice.

If you're interacting with him on this threads for long you should notice this trend, it's unlikely to change even if Civfanatics is suddenly overrun with females who hold a different opinion (I'd imagine he'd say they're brainwashed by the patriarchy).

I can't imagine such a worldview can persist forever but it often happens. Remember, a person only needs to be competent enough to do one job & function well enough to not get themself killed to get by in this life. A clear picture of reality is optional & a sense of US vs THEM invigorates some people to get thru their days.

 

[Bootstoots]

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[Rashiminos]

Probably only a tiny fraction of those have actual privileges. And that is just if you arbitrarily view the planet as just european/euro colony states. Some random white guy in middle of nowhere US with little to no money isn't really privileged at all, let alone next to other groups in other parts of the world and/or wealthy/oligarchs.

Privileges are said to apply to how others interact with the person in question based on lifestyle choices or physical appearances. A random guy resting on the street could be arrested for vagrancy or not, and sometimes his appearance plays a role in that decision. It's not always about what each respective person possesses...

Cis-gendered people are people born in the right-body, aka non-transgendered people.

As long as you're on the subject, (you can) imagine the confusion of a former woman being born into a man's body.

OK, so it just means non-transgendered. That's fine, but I think it's also useless as anyone would automatically assume "non-transgendered" unless specifically otherwise stated. After all, transgendered people are estimated to be less than 0.3% of the overall population, so I don't think we need to always specify something (cis-gendered) that applies to 99.7% of the people.

There's some irritation taken with one set of genders being taken as default and the 'others' being seen as exceptions. YMMV.

That's not a readily available option, it's an extreme challenge...and it was even more challenging thirty years ago.

Being a househusband would entail the other party being willing to foot the bill. Assortative mating works against that kind of opportunity.

"Check your privilege" seems to be basically a dickhead way of saying "appreciate what you have" which is good advice though I suspect the dispenser of such advice is not appreciating what they have, including the right to make such statements.

Maybe we could invent some sort of privilege mower to cut out the gaps between peoples' experiences and rewards. Imagine all of the grass being equally green.

 

[warpus]

OK, so it just means non-transgendered. That's fine, but I think it's also useless as anyone would automatically assume "non-transgendered" unless specifically otherwise stated. After all, transgendered people are estimated to be less than 0.3% of the overall population, so I don't think we need to always specify something (cis-gendered) that applies to 99.7% of the people.

I assume that anyone using the term "CIS" has an agenda that's incompatible with civil society, tbh. Or somebody talking about the commonwealth of independent states.