ChipNES II: A World Asunder

[Birdjaguar]

No, but the fact that the nes started out on a mostly an even playing field is wrong.

The European vs non European nations balance was anything but even. I had 3 EPs how many did you have? Look at the othe rstats. You are upset because Europeans don't have a 99% chance of victory in combat. That is the evenness you see as so wrong. You don't want to rely on ingenuity and diplomacy to win in Asia. You seem to see this NES as a game among the Europeans where the rest of us are just bit parts.

You quit when the advantage is not to your liking. Why would anyone want to play an Asian nation by your rules? 1% chance of winning a battle! That is not a game.

To all:

Let Swiss run his game. Play by his rules and let him learn. The whole idea of both Portugal and France attacking Zanzibar at the same time and meeting in a fog is brilliant idea. Unexpected and confusing. The world is actually that way. Now you and France have to find a way to recover. It is a game, folks, see it that way and recognize that Swiss is trying to make it intersting and fun. You had a set back on turn one (and not a very big one IMHO). Now your challenge is to make the best of it and move on. Learn to play by Swiss's rules. Having more nations that can have an impact even if only regionally will make this NES more interesting for all.

Alex, your loss of Goa was because you ignored my posts and pms. You under estimated Mysore. OK Learn from it. Teach me a lesson or be more thoughtful in your orders.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Maybe I'm misreading the update, but it looks like Oman attacked Portugal.

No both France and Portugal were trying to land on Zanzibar and fought each other to a stand still then the Omani attacked. In addition, Portuagal invaded Omani land along the coast of East Africa. I do not know what the orders said, but I would bet that Portugal was trying to capture the trading center as were the French forces.

 

[Insane_Panda]

You quit when the advantage is not to your liking. Why would anyone want to play an Asian nation by your rules? 1% chance of winning a battle! That is not a game.

But alas, it is history

 

[alex994]

Ah yes, the fact that nearly every nation has relatively modern European weaponry is already a vast improvement Europeans don't have 99% chance of winning I would know coming from the massive amounts of times I've fought Europeans. But they've had in the most cases superior technology, superior training, superior leadership. All of which has been ignored and realism destroyed.

The fact is, that nearly all Asian/African nations were conquered or annexed by Europe with a few exceptions. Ethiopia, Liberia, Japan, Siam, China and Korea(it got conquered by Japan so it still counts) A nes should and is supposed to develop differently from history yes, but the BEGINNING should still be similar and the effects of reality applied.

Yes, I'm a sucker for realism. I point out the fact there was no opposition to Japan's "modernization" efforts and the wrong assumption that to become an "Industrialized Power" in the Early Industrial Age meant that you bought weaponry from Europe with no regard for actual industry! You know what I really quit of? Sheer disgust. Sheer disgust of how everything I brought up was just merely brushed aside. And if we don't like his rules, we can quit.

For the matter, you were supposed to capture Goa as a pretext for invasion. I was just furious at the casualties that your fleet took in seizing it. I'll stop flaming from now on.

 

[Dreadnought]

Wow. Whats happening in this NES?

 

[Birdjaguar]

But alas, it is history

We could discuss the accuracy of that 1% if this was a history forum, but it is a game forum and this is a game. I would bet that if I read through any other NES listed here that none of them accurately reflect technological differences between nations.

If the purpose of this game is to mimic an assumed 99% probability of European success, why would you have any non European players? Cleverness and diplomacy are of little value if your chance of winning a battle is 1%. That makes for a stupid game.

Why are you all so against a more balanced game? Is it all about making sure certain players/nations win? An accurate replay of Custer's Last Stand would not be much of a game.

 

[Birdjaguar]

You know what I really quit of? Sheer disgust. Sheer disgust of how everything I brought up was just merely brushed aside. And if we don't like his rules, we can quit.

So you quit because your ego was hurt when Swiss said it was his game and he would run it his way? You don't get your way and you try to wreck his game?

For the matter, you were supposed to capture Goa as a pretext for invasion. I was just furious at the casualties that your fleet took in seizing it. I'll stop flaming from now on.

I knew our duel would have been fun.

 

[Icmancin]

Well, I'm glad I'm leaving for three weeks.

 

[Swissempire]

Are you really leaving Cui, thats sad. You were doing very good, your strategy was amazong.

Explainations: Cui, I took this to mean you wanted to blockade

That force will then remain off the coast of Persia and stop all trade going in and out of Persia.

Stopping all trade would anger the Sultan no doubt. Then we have to look to the fact that your Admiral was embarrassed by a British Admiral leading the Omani force, but he couldn't know it was a biritsh admiral. sO your Admiral saw a chance to attack, and regain his glory, so went to go take the valueble island of Zanzibar.

Portugal was also attacking Zanzibar, so you too fought each other think the other side was Oman, who were really behind a different island.

YOu guys aren't at war nessarily, but you did each kill the others ships. Mysore sent orders to sneak attack Gao.

And how was hte playing field even. Portugal is not a world power Alex, she is a medium powe in this alt-hist. France is the main power, and i think has more men than Africa combined. You mention the leadership, and thats why this war was so well fought, because the Omani had a Brit at the helm, and the Mysorians aren't dumb, they all ready beat Britain in a war.

I really fail to see what you all are complaining about. I already explained the technology thing, seriously guys

I really hope you'll stay Cui, and I'll answer any questions i can

 

[Wubba360]

I must say to alex, dude I mean seriously, all i everyone ever says is this is to unrealistic and wahwahwah, I am england, I should rule the world, I should have everyone under my thumb, well their empire wasn't won in a day was it? it was won over a long group of war where thousands died and were scalped. The boer wars in south africa were nearly a complete flop until the zulus butchered the english and the parliment went all angry at them. This is all a game. I like the fact other nations stand a fighting chance. You people quiting couldn't look past the historical inaccuracies and just accept it was a game, a harmless fun game. You guys have alot of growing up to do! Suck my ba11s.

 

[Symphony D.]

You guys have alot of growing up to do! Suck my ba11s.

lurker's comment: And everything that was said before is immediately thrown out the window. Way to be hypocritical.

 

[Wubba360]

i was just saying my oppinion and seriously if you look at everything else being said

 

[North King]

Ugh, this is disgusting.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Ugh, this is disgusting.

Help us get back on track.

 

[Insane_Panda]

@Wubba: The boer wars have nothing to do with the Zulu. It was the British vs. the states of Orange and Transvaal, both dutch afrikaneer republics, both of which repressed the africans.

 

[Icmancin]

@Wubba: The boer wars have nothing to do with the Zulu. It was the British vs. the states of Orange and Transvaal, both dutch afrikaneer republics, both of which repressed the africans.

So true, so true. If you're going to try to insult someone or try to make them change their mind, do proper research first. 'Cause if you don't, it makes you look like an idiot.

 

[Wubba360]

@Wubba: The boer wars have nothing to do with the Zulu. It was the British vs. the states of Orange and Transvaal, both dutch afrikaneer republics, both of which repressed the africans.

my mistake sorry, got confused, but yes the british did have some problems with the zulu until they brought out their machine guns and got really serious, i was just trying to show how british really had troubles , and they weren't overcome all in just one year, so sorry about my mistake of mixing up wars, there are alot of them, so please forgive me. People make mistakes I am only human

 

[North King]

my mistake sorry, got confused, but yes the british did have some problems with the zulu until they brought out their machine guns and got really serious, i was just trying to show how british really had troubles , and they weren't overcome all in just one year, so sorry about my mistake of mixing up wars, there are alot of them, so please forgive me. People make mistakes I am only human

Nah. They didn't use machine guns in the Zulu Wars, it was only ungodly awful generalship which led them to be slaughtered by iron spears when they had rifles.

 

[Wubba360]

well yah right there what nk just said, awful european leadership!
But they did use those primitive machine guns with just like five rifles lined up that shot slower than a normal one but still were deadly to a guy with spear, but seriously, one general mistook a bunch of zulu warriors chasing down this soldier on horseback, for a guy keeping the local soldiers in shape, and then they all died, truly heartbraking when you think about it, but now i will shut up about this topic, since it is pointless to argue and nothing will be achieved, i will now zip it

 

[Luckymoose]

I am still sticking in this NES because I like that all the European powers aren't the strongest in the world.It gives everyone a chance to become dominant.


IC:

To NPC France
From Italian Republic

Will you please interveen in Italy to stop the Lombards recentless attacks on us.Throw your might into the situation.