and also it reveals that the Incas are probably in, too
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and also it reveals that the Incas are probably in, too
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
This probably means that the Scandinavians/Vikings and Turks may really after all not be in, even though they were indirectly presented in the trailer.
If so, here's what the roster seems like to me at this point:
Confirmed/Almost-confirmed civs (i.e. either civilization or their leader confirmed):
Aztec (Montezuma?)
Inca (Pachacuti or Huayna Capac?)
America (Washington)
Rome (Caesar)
France (Napoleon)
England (Elizabeth)
Germany (Bismarck)
Russia (Stalin)
Arabia (Harun al-Rashid)
India (Gandhi)
China (Wu Zeitian)
Japan (Nobunaga)
Mongolia (Genghis)
That's 13 civs confirmed. These civs I am 90%-100% certain will be in:
Greece (probably Alexander)
Egypt (I don't know, possibly a female leader, but I really hope not)
Spain (Isabella)
So that's 16 civs, and logically they'd probably fill the gap with 1 African civ and probably 1 Middle Eastern civ... Which leaves us with...
African civ:
Zulus (Shaka)
OR
Mali (Mansa Musa)
OR (?)
Ethiopia (Menelik II?)
Middle Eastern civ:
Persia (Cyrus/Darius/Xerxes)
OR
Babylon (Hammurabi)
OR (though personally I think they're going to save it for an expansion...)
Ottomans/Turkey (Osman/Mehmed II/Suleiman)
My bets are that the Zulus and Persians will be the last two.
If so, here's what the roster seems like to me at this point:
Confirmed/Almost-confirmed civs (i.e. either civilization or their leader confirmed):
Aztec (Montezuma?)
Inca (Pachacuti or Huayna Capac?)
America (Washington)
Rome (Caesar)
France (Napoleon)
England (Elizabeth)
Germany (Bismarck)
Russia (Stalin)
Arabia (Harun al-Rashid)
India (Gandhi)
China (Wu Zeitian)
Japan (Nobunaga)
Mongolia (Genghis)
That's 13 civs confirmed. These civs I am 90%-100% certain will be in:
Greece (probably Alexander)
Egypt (I don't know, possibly a female leader, but I really hope not)
Spain (Isabella)
So that's 16 civs, and logically they'd probably fill the gap with 1 African civ and probably 1 Middle Eastern civ... Which leaves us with...
African civ:
Zulus (Shaka)
OR
Mali (Mansa Musa)
OR (?)
Ethiopia (Menelik II?)
Middle Eastern civ:
Persia (Cyrus/Darius/Xerxes)
OR
Babylon (Hammurabi)
OR (though personally I think they're going to save it for an expansion...)
Ottomans/Turkey (Osman/Mehmed II/Suleiman)
My bets are that the Zulus and Persians will be the last two.
I wouldn't discount the possibility of Ethiopia as the African civ. They were in BTS, and historically they were the only part of Africa that managed to remain uncolonized. Though the Zulus are still much more probable.
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
Yeah, added Ethiopia to the list. I think Zulus and Mali have a better chance, since they were in vanilla versions of the previous civ games, especially the Zulus... but we'll see.
CheeseWalrus
Warlord
through sheer luck, and only if you discount italy during wwii
That's a product of colonization.
Does it count as colonization if the white man's not doing it?
Was Liberia was promised to the African-Americans by God, or was it always an inseparable part of African-America from time immemorial? If neither, then yes, it's colonization.
Oh goody, we can keep Liberia out of that nasty group of exploitative colonizers.
If the Incas are in, i would not count the Aztecs as in.
The image on the firaxis civ5 page could be just artwork.
Huayna Capac357
Deity
Yay! Incas are in, Mao is gone, the only bad thing is the one-leader rule. Though I still play Civ III, so it's bearable.
LastLegionare
Warlord
If we need to add someone, I say polynesia. Probably the largest hole on world maps is the lake of a preocupied Pacific.
Conjecture or confirmed?
All I've seen is conjecture based on the fact that no two leaders from one Civ have yet been indicated.
*crosses fingers*
we know that nearly 10-13 of the civs are confirmed so we still have some space and we will wonder who they will be.
Incas together with the Aztecs both deserve a place in the game. But sure we can't know if they will put both or not. It will not be a surprise for me to see 2 of them or only 1 of them. Maybe 1 of them might be in an EP. Mayas are similarly, they might come back with an EP. All are possible.
so i don't agree with your approach. it is not certain that we won't have Aztecs, just because Incas are in. Everybody counts Spanish and some civs as certain but still they are not confirmed. So any non-confirmed civ might be OUT for the vanilla. We can't know what their marketing strategy will be. But I expect at least a few of popular civs to come later with an EP, not because they don't deserve a place in first 18 but just the opposite, because they will be a good factor on sales of EPs. So some of the big market nations might be put in the EP, spanish, dutch, portuguese etc. That would leave space for both Incas and Aztecs.
Shortly, except confirmed civs, everything is possible. I even can't trust the magazine articles. We don't yet know if it is official. We haven't seen anything in the official internet site yet, right?
I think it was the UK edition of PC Gamer who famously said that Erotica Island was less fun that trapping your "flies" in your zip. I expect them to be reasonably accurate, as far as they can be at this stage.
LegioCorvus
Prince
Right now there are 10 confirmed:
*United States (Washington)
*Germany (Otto von Bismarck)
*France (Napoleon)
*England (Elizabeth)
*Rome (Julius Caesar)
*China (Wu Zetian)
*Japan (Obu Nobunaga)
*India (Gandhi)
*Mongolia (Genghis Khan)
*Arabia (Harun al-Rashid)
(A previous post confirming Stalin for Russia by Sindhforces in PC Jeux take on Civ 5 was a mistaken impression based on Otto von Bismark - post # 19 in same thread).
4 are all but confirmed:
*Aztec
---Starting Civ in every game so far. Unit artwork released.
*Russia
---Also a starting Civ. Can't imagine playing Civilization without them.
*Greece
---Yet another starting Civ. Again, very popular, and very important historically.
*Egypt
---Same as the previous 3. In teaser trailer.
The last 4 is where I think it gets tricky. Part of me thinks that having the Vikings & the Ottomans in the teaser trailer (and possible opening cinematic) doesn't necessarily mean they'll be in the game. Then again, why put them in the teaser/opening if they're not in the game?
There's also a tradition of always having at least one sub-Saharan African Civ. Zulu is the safe bet, but Ethiopia would make more sense. Then again, the Ethiopians have only appeared in one expansion pack in the entire series, and the last expansion pack for that series, at that.
I also can't see the Aztecs without the Incas, but that's an exclusively Civ4 bias. The Incas have only appeared in one expansion pack outside of Civ4. They're more of a rare exception, like the Mali in Civ4.
That being said, here are my picks in order for the possible last 4:
1) Spain
---Starting Civ for every game except Civ1 (which even Japan didn't make). Made Revolution's exclusive 16. One of the most powerful colonizing countries the world has ever seen. It's a safe pick.
2) Zulu
---Starting Civ for every game except Civ4. Also made Revolutions exclusive 16. Very likely.
3) Ottomans
---I keep going back and forth on them, but right now I feel it would be unusual to have them in the cinematics and not in the game.
4) Vikings
---Same as the Ottomans. Every Civ has a few odd starting picks. (Sioux, Carthage, Vikings, Celts in Civ2. Iroquois in Civ3. Mali & Incas in Civ4). I think the Vikings & Ottomans are it for this game.
I think we're basically looking at the CivRev list here, with the addition of the Ottomans and the Vikings as two "wild" picks.
Any updated information that I missed?
