Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[Lord Lakely]

I'm having a bad day.

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[queenpea]

@queenpea, what famous women from history who weren't leaders do you have in mind? B/c the same dynamics that have made fewer female leaders have made for fewer women in many other realms of human endeavor. I agree that theoretically allowing for leaders who weren't in history leaders opens things up, but then what they've gone with is very-politically-engaged people like Ben Franklin and Machiavelli. So it almost takes us back to square one.

Yes, you're right. Women who were not political leaders are even less likely to feature in recorded history.

I would have preferred Eleanor Roosevelt, for example, to Ben Franklin for America. And while I'm happy to have Machiavelli, it feels like he has replaced the role Catherine de Medici played in VI. Instead of Napoleon (a double serving), I would have gladly taken Joan of Arc, Margaret of Anjou, or Anne d'Autriche.

Hypatia for Greece. Marie Curie for Poland. Mary Wollstonecraft. Other, more knowledgeable forum members have already suggested a good number of alternatives.

 

[Zaarin]

Margaret of Anjou

Mistook her for a minute for Marguerite d'Angoulême, but either one of them would be someone I'd love to see as a Civ leader.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Yes, you're right. Women who were not political leaders are even less likely to feature in recorded history.

I would have preferred Eleanor Roosevelt, for example, to Ben Franklin for America. And while I'm happy to have Machiavelli, it feels like he has replaced the role Catherine de Medici played in VI. Instead of Napoleon (a double serving), I would have gladly taken Joan of Arc, Margaret of Anjou, or Anne d'Autriche.

Hypatia for Greece. Marie Curie for Poland. Mary Wollstonecraft. Other, more knowledgeable forum members have already suggested a good number of alternatives.

Wollstonecraft would be awesome! Get Olympe des Gouges and a two for one on 18th century women's rights!

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Wollstonecraft would be awesome! Get Olympe des Gouges and a two for one on 18th century women's rights!

Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace for a scientific leader
Nancy Witcher Langhorne (Lady) Astor for a (British) political leader
Mary Baker Eddy for a religious leader
Helena Petrovna Blavatskaya for a Rasputinic religious leader
Mary Edmonia Lewis or Mary Stevenson Cassatt for cultural leaders

- and, shucks, we aren't even out of the 19th century yet!

 

[Zaarin]

Mary Baker Eddy for a religious leader

While I don't want more American leaders TBH, this made me think both Lucretia Mott and Ann Hutchinson would have made interesting leader choices.

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

If Wollstonecraft ever did make it in she:

1. Needs to have some Science bonuses (being an Enlightenment thinker and all that)
2. And absolutely NEEDS to have bonuses towards Great Writing seeing as she wrote herself, her husband was a writer, and her daughter wrote Frankenstein and married a famous poet.

 

[Black Gate]

So far, looking at leaders, we have six from antiquity and seven from exploration (including Tecumseh) fully revealed. Himiko adds another to antiquity, while Ben Franklin, Napoleon, Catherine and Frederick are four for the modern age. I assume we're getting two reveals this week to make up for the Christmas and New Years' break, which would leave five more Thursdays before the game's early access release on Feb 6 (it's so close...). Three more modern age leaders to fill those final weeks would give each age a square seven. Or they'll squeeze in another double-reveal so exploration has seven, whether or not you have DLC. Or maybe Firaxis don't care about balancing the leaders by age at all! The known roster for the modern age is very European so I suspect there may be a leader associated with Siam, and Africa - possibly Shaka.

As for our mystery leader. Himiko feels possible if they're going to reveal other leaders out of order but I suspect not - she'll come with Japan. Genghis Khan feels the most likely out of "traditional" leaders who are missing, but we've got a lot of warmongering civs and I don't see why they wouldn't have just mentioned him alongside Mongolia. As such, I'm going to make a super aspirational wildcard pick of Enheduanna, daughter of Sargon of Akkad and high priestess of Nanna-sin, as culturally focused. She fills in a fertile-crescent-shaped hole in the game (Persia and Xerxes don't count) and as a resident of the ancient world could've been revealed months ago. Since a lot of the earlier leaders we saw were "safe" choices, maybe she's been held off until now for being such a strange pick.

 

[notNamed]

So far, looking at leaders, we have six from antiquity and seven from exploration (including Tecumseh) fully revealed. Himiko adds another to antiquity, while Ben Franklin, Napoleon, Catherine and Frederick are four for the modern age.

So 6 ancient, 6 exploration, 6 modern with Himiko being considered modern because of her tie-in being westernized Japan? And Tecumseh being his own thing just like the Shawnee break the pattern.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

So 6 ancient, 6 exploration, 6 modern with Himiko being considered modern because of her tie-in being westernized Japan? And Tecumseh being his own thing just like the Shawnee break the pattern.

All 6 antiquity first looks were revealed first, then all 6 of those exploration first looks too.

It does feel like there might be a pattern to the way they've batched leader releases that aligns with the age system

 

[JNR13]

All 6 antiquity first looks were revealed first, then all 6 of those exploration first looks too.

It does feel like there might be a pattern to the way they've batched leader releases that aligns with the age system

Well except for Himiko who is antiquity but not yet revealed because the only Japan civ in the base game is modern.

Given that we're expecting 27 leaders including alt personas, 7-7-7 not counting Tecumseh would make more sense. He'd be 22nd, Napoleon's alt persona 23rd, and then four more Deluxe/Founders personas. So like with Himiko for antiquity, there could be an exploration age leader who is associated with a region that is only represented in the modern age, leading to a paired reveal. Maybe Ramkhamhaeng with Siam...

 

[Jeppetto]

Both Napoleons can be counted as extra personas not part of the base game (an extra like Tecumseh)

I expect 6-6-6 and two personas for Modern Leaders in Base Game

 

[Archanist]

If we're going 7-7-7 for leaders, do I have these listed out correctly? I'm not sure where to put Himiko

Antiquity:
1. Ashoka
2. Augustus
3. Confucius
4. Hatshepsut
5. Trung Trac
6. Xerxes
7. Himiko?

Exploration
1. Amina
2. Charlemagne
3. Ibn Battuta
4. Isabella
5. Machiavelli
6. Pachacuti
7. ?
DLC: Tecumseh

Modern
1. Ben Franklin
2. Himiko?
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
DLC: Napoleon

 

[Krikkit1]

Amina is exploration

 

[Archanist]

Thanks, edited

 

[Nikolai II]

If we're going 7-7-7 for leaders, do I have these listed out correctly? I'm not sure where to put Himiko

Antiquity:
1. Ashoka
2. Augustus
3. Confucius
4. Hatshepsut
5. Trung Trac
6. Xerxes
7. Himiko?

Exploration
1. Amina
2. Charlemagne
3. Ibn Battuta
4. Isabella
5. Machiavelli
6. Pachacuti
7. ?
DLC: Tecumseh

Modern
1. Ben Franklin
2. Himiko?
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
DLC: Napoleon

I would guess Firaxis lists personas as separate leaders.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I'm girding myself for a leader with a double persona: Taft, President and Taft, Chief Justice.

 

[Evolena]

I expect 6-6-6 and two personas for Modern Leaders in Base Game

I don't think there will be personas in the base game, while we still need 2 out of the 4 for the special editions.

 

[Vincent_lacruz]

In modern, you will most likely have France. Why? Because on the CIV 7 logo you have the Eiffel Tower, just next to the rocket launch.^^

Same for USA, since there is the Statue of Liberty.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm girding myself for a leader with a double persona: Taft, President and Taft, Chief Justice.

I think it's likely Ben Franklin will have a Diplomat persona and an Inventor Persona.