Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Himiko is in a weird place given that she represents Meiji Japan--which makes her kind of closer to "her" civ than Trung or Amina, but still to my mind an oblique representative. I'm also curious to know if Ashoka defaults to favoring Siam or Mughals after today's stream.

I think it's probably a coin flip if they don't directly unlock the civ, but the theorist in me wants to say they wanted to keep Russia hush-hush for now so they made certain Xerxes would pick his other option, Mughal India.

 

[Jeppetto]

So my another round of guessing is that leaders we are yet to see are Frederick, Catherine the Great, Catherine the Usurper, Himiko. Then either Ethiopian Modern Leader (plus Himiko Persona I guess) or Shaka or Ghandi (I would go as radically far as to assume Founders' Edition exclusive fanservice meme Nuclear persona, just to see the hells unleashed).

 

[chaosprophet]

So my another round of guessing is that leaders we are yet to see are Frederick, Catherine the Great, Catherine the Usurper, Himiko. Then either Ethiopian Modern Leader (plus Himiko Persona I guess) or Shaka or Ghandi (I would go as radically far as to assume Founders' Edition exclusive fanservice meme Nuclear persona, just to see the hells unleashed).

Gandhi nuclear Persona has no bonuses for most of the game, but as a trade off they have huge bonuses towards nuclear bombs productions at the end of the Modern Age and can complete Project Ivy in one turn.

 

[Siptah]

So, no personas for Harriet and Ben.

With 4 leaders and two personas left, it screams Frederick "King of Prussia" (military + culture focus) and Frederick "First Servant" (bureaucracy + culture focus) to me for filling one of the persona slots. Of course, the First Servant's agenda is simply that he hates Machiavelli and the King of Prussia's agenda is that he hates everybody who keeps long term allies.

Looking at the revealed leaders, I see 3 Africans, 3 Americans, 4 Europeans, and 3 Asians. Add 3 Europeans (Fritz, Kati, Napoleon) and one Asian (Himiko) for the unrevealed. I would rule out more Europeans, but I could see more Asians to get closer to par with Europe. Another modern American leaders seems unlikely to me, but I could see another African (or a first Polynesian). My bet is on two Asians though.

Specifically, I'm betting on Akbar or Shah Jahan for one slot, and if it is Akbar, he could easily have two personas (but two "Indian" personas in the first DLCs?)
The other slot will go to Shaka. I can't see him getting a persona.

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Civ-wise, I'm feel somehow fairly confident that Britain is out, and Germany (Militaristic, Scientific) and Russia (Cultural, Economic) will obtain the two remaining slots.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Specifically, I'm betting on Akbar or Shah Jahan for one slot, and if it is Akbar, he could easily have two personas (but two "Indian" personas in the first DLCs?)

That would be possible, but I have the feelling that also might be too similar to Xerxes as well. As in a conqueror persona, and a presumably cultural economic builder one?

Civ-wise, I'm feel somehow fairly confident that Britain is out, and Germany (Militaristic, Scientific) and Russia (Cultural, Economic) will obtain the two remaining slots.

I feel if any civ has to be Expansionist, surely it would be Russia?

 

[Siptah]

That would be possible, but I have the feelling that also might be too similar to Xerxes as well. As in a conqueror persona, and a presumably cultural economic builder one?

Akbar can easily be about building, trading, conquering, big cities (= expansion), culture, happiness/religion. The only thing I don't see in particular is diplo. I'm sure they can avoid making him too similar to Xerxes and Ashoka. But yes, maybe a leader + persona that don't differ in conquest and economy play styles, but expansion/science and diplomacy play styles would be more refreshing.

I feel if any civ has to be Expansionist, surely it would be Russia?

Expansionist in civ VII is about big cities. I don't see Russia as first choice there (despite having some big cities). In contrast, resources and railways to far away places (= economy) seem more fitting.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Expansionist in civ VII is about big cities. I don't see Russia as first choice there. In contrast, resources and railways to far away places (= economy) seem more fitting.

I thought there were two branches, wide and tall. But I guess you do make a good point regarding economic=railroads in the Modern Age.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I thought there were two branches, wide and tall. But I guess you do make a good point regarding economic=railroads in the Modern Age.

Yes, Expansionist covers both broad city borders and extensive specialists.

 

[Siptah]

I thought there were two branches, wide and tall.

Yes, you can go specialists or more settlements/better towns. It would fit Russia to go wide of course. But my guess is cultural (with great people) and economic (with resources and railroads). Could well be that the ability references the wideness of the land and resources.
I somehow feel Qing and Siam will be expansionists, because I see them more about towns/cities than land per se.

 

[Krikkit1]

Actually Russia (and Civ7 in general) would be wide AND tall….you get the biggest city when you have lots of towns supporting it…ie all the territories feeding support to Moscow

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I somehow feel Qing and Siam will be expansionists, because I see them more about towns/cities than land per se.

Qing makes sense. I'm not sure about Siam. Siam to me feels Diplomatic and Economic.

 

[Siptah]

Actually Russia (and Civ7 in general) would be wide AND tall….you get the biggest city when you have lots of towns supporting it…ie all the territories feeding support to Moscow

There's still a choice though, the repeatables for the expansionist path either increase or decrease settlement limit, and the path in general seems to be clearly either/or. I would say that wide and tall still exist, but with a twist. E.g., 4 giant cities and 6 smaller towns is tall, and 6 smaller cities and 6 larger towns is wide - it doesn't seem that 4 cities or 1 city/13 towns are viable concepts. So, what would Russia go into in your opinion? Few giant cities with smaller towns, i.e., what I'd consider tall? Or more but smaller cities with larger towns, i.e., what I'd consider wide?

And hopefully, it's St. Petersburg, and not Moscow. I don't want Soviet Russia, and pre-1700s Russia would be misplaced time wise.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

This friday. Siam
Actually I was tempting to post a thread speculating its ability, UC, and unique infrastructures. if not this friday then i'd post a thread myself.

 

[Luxerne]

With the Modern Age stream, we got a full look at the Tech and Civics tree, revealing that the Modern Age has only twelve wonders:

Of these twelve wonders, nine are linked to the eight currently-confirmed civs:
Red Fort - Mughals
Taj Mahal - Mughals (perhaps part of their unique ability is having two associated wonders?)
Summer Palace - Qing
Kasubi Tombs - Buganda
Doi Suthep - Siam
Bellas Artes - Mexico
Dogo Onsen - Japan
Statue of Liberty - America
Eiffel Tower - France

leaving only the Hermitage, Oxford University, and Brandenburg Gate. This is not news when it comes to the base game, but it's news for the Crossroads of the World DLC. We know that the Crossroads DLC does not include any new wonders, so the four civs included in it will need to have their associated wonders already in the game. It's not impossible that wonders might be patched in for free, to be fair... but they're ultimately a business trying to make money and all

So, it seems very likely that whichever modern civ is not chosen from Britain, Germany/Prussia, or Russia in the base game will show up in the Crossroads DLC, as opposed to seeing a civ like the Ottomans, Safavids, Oman, and other middle eastern civs like some people were hoping for Crossroads.

But, then again, that assumes that the devs want to include at least one civ from each era in the DLC. For all we know, Crossroads might not actually have any modern civs, those being reserved for Right to Rule...

 

[Lord Lakely]

I agree that whoever isnt in between Russia, Germany and Britain just gets added in the first XPac. (most likely Britain) I also believe the Mughal wonder is the Red Fort, leaving the Taj Mahal unassociated.

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

That would track, seeing as it's sort of become a classic Civ wonder at this point. I think players would much prefer if they all had an equal shot at getting it.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I agree that whoever isnt in between Russia, Germany and Britain just gets added in the first XPac. (most likely Britain) I also believe the Mughal wonder is the Red Fort, leaving the Taj Mahal unassociated.

Agreed on both counts.

The Taj is a wonder that has been in the franchise for several iterations now. It can certainly stand on its own like the Colossus, Notre Dame, and Hanging Gardens. It's also more personally associated with Shah Jahan than with the Mughals as a whole. The Red Fort is the opposite. It's been in Civ V, but isn't super iconic, and isn't heavily associated with a single individual.

 

[queenpea]

We're not getting anything new today, right? We've had two first looks, and a civ guide this week and, of course, all of the gameplay from the deep dive.

 

[Jeppetto]

We're not getting anything new today, right? We've had two first looks, and a civ guide this week and, of course, all of the gameplay from the deep dive.

But a boy can dream. I am counting hours down still.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

We're not getting anything new today, right? We've had two first looks, and a civ guide this week and, of course, all of the gameplay from the deep dive.

Correct, and the blurb from Steam news last week only said we would be getting 2 FL and a guide this week, so the quota has been met.