Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[Krikkit1]

I think it's likely Ben Franklin will have a Diplomat persona and an Inventor Persona.

But why? wouldn’t he just be Diplomatic/Scientific?

I guess you could have Scientific/Economic for inventor
and
Diplomatic/Cultural for ambassador/political activist

 

[Jeppetto]

But why? wouldn’t he just be Diplomatic/Scientific?

I suppose people just feel like his two careers have the flavour fit for persona so everyone strongly hopes he gets them but you bring up a good point that it could easily fit his traits.

 

[Gori the Grey]

He's already been one Franklin, in your previous game; now he needs to be 'n other Franklin in this new game.

I'll see myself out.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I suppose people just feel like his two careers have the flavour fit for persona so everyone strongly hopes he gets them but you bring up a good point that it could easily fit his traits.

Well yes, that's why I said it could be likely. I mean they gave Xerxes two personas, so I think anything could be likely at this point. But yes, a singular Diplomatic/Scientific Franklin could also just be a thing.

However, we do know of two more personas coming, and because Franklin was known for multiple things I'd put the chance of him having a persona over others.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

But why? wouldn’t he just be Diplomatic/Scientific?

Yeah, I don't really see the need for two versions of Franklin. He compiles nicely into a single attribute pair.

 

[Zaarin]

As such, I'm going to make a super aspirational wildcard pick of Enheduanna

I don't think we'll see any Mesopotamian leaders until we get presumably Assyria in Crossroads of the World, but Enheduanna would be an inspired choice.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Confirmation of 21 unique leaders on launch, 5 personae.

 

[Jeppetto]

So that would check out 6 per Age plus 1 (plus Tecumseh, plus Napoleon) and no base persona besides Napoleon

 

[Lord Lakely]

Now that we have a solid number, we now know all leaders except for 4. Himiko and Napoleon have been revealed but still need to get First Looks.

Two of the unrevealed leaders' identities are strongly hinted at by the ratings: Frederick II of Prussia and Catherine the Great.
There are 2 leaders whose identity we don't know anything about (but we can fairly safely assume both will be male - see below)

Also, two of the 4 unrevealed leaders will have alternative persona's.

Finally, if the 1F/2M ratio holds, we'll have a 7F/14M leader split.
With Tubman and Catherine, the 7 female leaders are accounted for (Amina, Hatshepsut, Himiko, Trung Trac, Isabella, Tubman, Catherine)

Because there are no female leaders with two persona's, I believe at least one of Himiko/Catherine will have an alternate persona.

 

[Historrick]

If I've tracked it correctly, there are four pairings of attributes not held by any leader as of yet (not counting Himiko, as we don't know hers yet):

Cultural - Diplomatic
Cultural - Scientific
Economic - Scientific
Expansionist - Militaristic.

We don't know for definite that all of the combinations will be used in the base game, but as it stands, we only have four cultural and scientific leaders, but we have nine militaristic and eight economic, so there's definitely an imbalance at the moment. There are even three leaders already with the Economic-Militaristic pairing (Amina, Emperor Napoleon and Xerxes KoK).

Himiko feels like she could be a good fit for the Cultural - Diplomatic pairing, but who of the other predicted leaders would fit well into these pairings? If we were to get a Genghis, for example, Expansionist - Militaristic feels like a natural choice.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Himiko is definitely Diplomatic. The Switch preview expressedly mentions Endeavors.

I can imagine Cultural/Scientific as a Catherine persona, tbh.

 

[Archanist]

Pingala as Cultural/Scientific.

(for realsies Einstein or Nobel could be Cultural/Scientific? though Nobel could probably be designed to be Economic/Scientific too)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Now that we have a solid number, we now know all leaders except for 4. Himiko and Napoleon have been revealed but still need to get First Looks.

Two of the unrevealed leaders' identities are strongly hinted at by the ratings: Frederick II of Prussia and Catherine the Great.
There are 2 leaders whose identity we don't know anything about (but we can fairly safely assume both will be male - see below)

I don't know why but Shaka and Jose Rizal keep popping up in my mind as potentially being the last two.

I don't see another European or American showing up. Shaka is a staple and could definitely feel like a leader leading into Buganda. Jose Rizal feels like he would mesh with Mexico, Majaphahit, or Hawaii being at the forefront of the Philippines independence from Spain.

Also, two of the 4 unrevealed leaders will have alternative persona's.

Finally, if the 1F/2M ratio holds, we'll have a 7F/14M leader split.
With Tubman and Catherine, the 7 female leaders are accounted for (Amina, Hatshepsut, Himiko, Trung Trac, Isabella, Tubman, Catherine)

Because there are no female leaders with two persona's, I believe at least one of Himiko/Catherine will have an alternate persona.

Frederick the Great seems the most likely, though I also felt confident with Ben Franklin. I feel like Catherine could be the other one, but I'm not sure considering I don't have that much knowledge of Himiko to know if they could make two personas from her.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I don't know why but Shaka and Jose Rizal keep popping up in my mind as potentially being the last two.

I don't see another European or American showing up. Shaka is a staple and could definitely feel like a leader leading into Buganda. Jose Rizal feels like he would mesh with Mexico, Majaphahit, or Hawaii being at the forefront of the Philippines independence from Spain.

Frederick the Great seems the most likely, though I also felt confident with Ben Franklin. I feel like Catherine could be the other one, but I'm not sure considering I don't have that much knowledge of Himiko to know if they could make two personas from her.

I actually agree about Shaka! We're missing a Mil/Exp leader, and he could fit that bill. I do not see Shaka as a persona leader though.

I think the final male leader is either from Asia (a Mughal or Siamese leader? Akbar is a great choice for a Persona leader) or from South America (Bolivar? Che Guevara?)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think the final male leader is either from Asia (a Mughal or Siamese leader? Akbar is a great choice for a Persona leader) or from South America (Bolivar? Che Guevara?)

I feel like Bolivar, or another Latin American leader, would have already been introduced alongside Mexico, personally. I think a leader from Asia is more likely. Babur could work as a link between Mongolia and Mughals.

 

[Archanist]

Jose Rizal

Call me greedy but I think Rizal is a really strong candidate for a persona, since there is a debate whether he's more of a revolutionist (independent Philippines) or a reformist (better conditions under Spain). His reformist persona fits a Diplomatic/Cultural fit, but his revolutionist is more wildcard for me.

Don't get me started with the ability/agenda names both can use; Revolutionary can be "Touch Me Not" and Reformist can be "The Filibuster".

Spoiler :

I spent too much time thinking about this; he's one of the things I wanna mod in if he's not officially in

 

[Jeppetto]

Because there are no female leaders with two persona's, I believe at least one of Himiko/Catherine will have an alternate persona.

Dunno if this is enough to concoct a persona, but Catherine the Great has been portrayed in Civ 4 in uniform (I found one portrait it seemingly references, where she's on a horse) while in Civ 5 in the more prevalent luxurious dress from court style. Those could be two visual forms at the very least.

 

[Sagax]

Dunno if this is enough to concoct a persona, but Catherine the Great has been portrayed in Civ 4 in uniform (I found one portrait it seemingly references, where she's on a horse) while in Civ 5 in the more prevalent luxurious dress from court style. Those could be two visual forms at the very least.

It could work. The Civ 4 outfit is based on her portrait drawn during her coup against her husband. She could get some militaristic bonuses or something that vaguely equates to domestic loyalty.

In contrast, her more regal persona could lean into the Russian Enlightenment with science and culture.

The names for her personas could be “Catherine the Despot” and “Catherine the Enlightener”.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

So I've been pondering what leaders and civs we have remaining by looking at their links.

In antiquity, of the 7 leaders who lived during it, only 1 IE. Trung Trac isn't directly associated with a civ in the game. The rest all have a link to a civ in game (Augustus, Hapshepsut, Xerxes, Ashoka, Himiko, Confucius)

5 of these leaders are from Asia, 1 from Africa and 1 from Europe

In exploration though, only 3 of the 7 are associated with a civ (Pachacuti, Tecumseh and Isabella), and 4 (Charlemagne, Machiavelli, Ibn Battuta and Amina) aren't.

2 of these leaders are from Africa
3 are from Europe
2 are from the Americas

In the modern era, the 3 leaders we know about (Ben Franklin, Harriet Tubman and Napoleon) are all associated with a civ in game. There are 2 strongly hinted at (Catherine & Frederick) who may or may not be associated with a civ. That leaves 2 remaining assuming those are correct

2 of these are from the Americas
1 (or 3) from europe
2 unknown?

What does that mean? I have no idea, but I thought it may be interesting to reflect on

 

[Zaarin]

Himiko

Himiko is in a weird place given that she represents Meiji Japan--which makes her kind of closer to "her" civ than Trung or Amina, but still to my mind an oblique representative. I'm also curious to know if Ashoka defaults to favoring Siam or Mughals after today's stream.