Civ VII Weekly Reveal Guessing Thread

[Sagax]

Petition to refer to the upcoming Russia-v-Germany-v-Britain speculations as RGB.

 

[queenpea]

Correct, and the blurb from Steam news last week only said we would be getting 2 FL and a guide this week, so the quota has been met.

I imagine nothing next week as well due to the holiday?

 

[Jeppetto]

Well with Thanksgiving Thursday they shifted it to Wednesday, they could do an update Monday and Friday. But I do think they should treat themselves to a week or two of peace.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I imagine nothing next week as well due to the holiday?

We have 6 weeks left until early access (including holiday weeks) and 6 FLs to go. So, they either have to double up more FLs like Franklin/Tubman or they will have to do some on holiday weeks.

 

[Krikkit1]

We have 6 weeks left until early access (including holiday weeks) and 6 FLs to go. So, they either have to double up more FLs like Franklin/Tubman or they will have to do some on holiday weeks.

Double up seems most likely

They also have 8 more civs to cover in the 6 weeks …2 per 4 post holiday week sounds good.

Supporting team Red or Yellow (Red+Green) in RGB

 

[Lord Lakely]

Correct, and the blurb from Steam news last week only said we would be getting 2 FL and a guide this week, so the quota has been met.

We also have 6 FLs and 8 Civ Guides left before the release.

There are exactly 7 Thursdays left until release: 26 Dec, 2 Jan, 9 Jan, 16 Jan, 23 Jan, 30 Jan and 6 Feb.

Today can easily be skipped, as can 26 Dec, and they'll still be on schedule if they release a leader on every Thursday of January and on 6 February. (Personally I would ensure all Civs and leaders are out a full week ahead of release, but hey, maybe that's just me)

The GUIDES will have to be released at a slightly faster pace than the leaders however.

 

[queenpea]

We have 6 weeks left until early access (including holiday weeks) and 6 FLs to go. So, they either have to double up more FLs like Franklin/Tubman or they will have to do some on holiday weeks.

Is there a public date for early access?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Is there a public date for early access?

February 6th, a Thursday

 

[queenpea]

February 6th, a Thursday

Ohhh I thought you were referencing influencer early access. When the embargo lifts, which might be Feb. 6, as well, all secrets will be revealed.

I would think that the embargo would lift before Feb. 6 (in order to create buzz and generate pre-orders).

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Petition to refer to the upcoming Russia-v-Germany-v-Britain speculations as RGB.

I prefer RPG (Russia, Prussia or Germany)

 

[Potworny]

I'm sort of convinced that the exact civ names will be Russian Empire, British Empire (or maaaaaybe Britain like I think Ed Beach mentioned) and Prussia. I believe that the devs will continue to try their best at avoiding current country names (and I suppose that America and Mexico were just pretty much unavoidable). Also, while it'd feel most appropriate to me to include the missing one of the three in a bigger expansion, I consider it likely that they will be added at the first possible moment, in CotW. I think that the 2 of those that will appear in the base game are Prussia and Russia.

The reasons I believe Prussia will be included are the Hohenzollern flag (and while it can still be an IP unit, I don't think I've seen IP's commanders, and surely not ones with flags; we know the unit belongs to a civ because it has blue elements (coat) that correlate with the city behind it, which maaaaaybe has more of a German than British architectural style) the rest of the commander also feels Prussian, but I can't rationalise why so don't treat it as a serious argument), very likely inclusion of Frederick the Great in content already rated by ESRB, appearance of a 20th century German soldier in one of the dev panels and because it fits best behind the HIDDEN graphic in the Norman civ selection screen.

Spoiler :

The reasons I believe Russia will be included are that we've seen a city hall building that screams Russian Revival architectural style, very likely inclusion of Catherine the Great in content already rated by ESRB, and that it doesn't have to contest with Prussia and Britain for the one remaining Norman modern age unlock - so we can probably only have one of Britain and Prussia, but Russia has a very reasonable predecessor in Mongolia.

Spoiler :

The reasons I believe Britain won't be included are that we've only seen Oxford University in a city with an American architectural style (I think), English history is already sooort of represented by the Normans and British Empire has no space for it in the Norman civ selection screen (while Britain is a worse fit than Prussia, speaking purely graphically).

Spoiler :

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The reasons I believe Britain won't be included are that we've only seen Oxford University in a city with an American architectural style (I think), English history is already sooort of represented by the Normans and British Empire has no space for it in the Norman civ selection screen (while Britain is a worse fit than Prussia, speaking purely graphically).

I'm convinced that the British might come in Right to Rule with Big Ben as it's associated wonder.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I'm not convinced that it will be called Prussia, but I expect Germany, as well as Russia. Britain is probably going to be included in Right to Rule with Big Ben (or more accurately, Elizabeth Tower, which houses Big Ben).

 

[Ryansinbela]

I swore the British were officially mentioned but maybe I’m misremembering

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I swore the British were officially mentioned but maybe I’m misremembering

They've been namedropped in some of the early interviews explaining the Age transition, but that was the extent of it.

And shortly after the namedrops was the first PAX livestream where Ed cautioned not to take namedrops in interviews seriously.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm not convinced that it will be called Prussia, but I expect Germany, as well as Russia. Britain is probably going to be included in Right to Rule with Big Ben (or more accurately, Elizabeth Tower, which houses Big Ben).

If not Prussia, I think it would at least be called the German Empire, similar to France being specifically the French Empire.

 

[Ryansinbela]

They've been namedropped in some of the early interviews explaining the Age transition, but that was the extent of it.

And shortly after the namedrops was the first PAX livestream where Ed cautioned not to take namedrops in interviews seriously.

Ah ok, yeah then it’s most likely Germany and Russia
Britain being absent is weird but so is Edo Japan, the Aztecs and a Mesopotamian Civ

 

[SeelingCat]

I swore the British were officially mentioned but maybe I’m misremembering

AFAIK, the three main arguments for Britain are from articles:

First up is this BBC article, which says "In London's example, gamers could play as the Romans, then the Normans, then as Britain - all the while building a growing England that goes beyond just the capital city."

Ed Beach in another article from IGN said "Maybe you start as Rome, and where did Rome evolve? Maybe it evolved into another European Civ and that would get you to a Germany or a Britain or France by the end of your game. And players like that historical storytelling and immersion. And we did allow some wackier combinations, and some of our fans love that because they love the theory crafting, I want to mix this with that and I'm going to be super overpowered in science."

Lastly, in an article from PC Gamer, Ed is quoted as saying (with similar wording to the BBC article), "Now we have a new version of Civilization where I can play a single pathway through history, and I get to be the Romans, I get to be the Normans, and then I get to be Britain."

There's also a reference I've seen thrown around but haven't been able to nail down the source for that one of the Streamers that got to play the game early mentioned England to a dev, who responded with some variation of "Actually, it's Britain this time." But take that one potentially with a grain of salt.

The question really comes down to whether the articles and the quotes are giving exact descriptions of the game, or are speaking theoretically or about the vibes of the game (or potentially what the game will look like further down the line), which is where opinion is divided.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

If not Prussia, I think it would at least be called the German Empire, similar to France being specifically the French Empire.

The impression/suspicion that I have is that Friedrich will more or less represent the Prussian Pre-Empire Germany and the various German uniques and such will represent Germany circa Bismarck to Panzers.

 

[chaosprophet]

leaving only the Hermitage, Oxford University, and Brandenburg Gate. This is not news when it comes to the base game, but it's news for the Crossroads of the World DLC. We know that the Crossroads DLC does not include any new wonders, so the four civs included in it will need to have their associated wonders already in the game. It's not impossible that wonders might be patched in for free, to be fair... but they're ultimately a business trying to make money and all

So, it seems very likely that whichever modern civ is not chosen from Britain, Germany/Prussia, or Russia in the base game will show up in the Crossroads DLC, as opposed to seeing a civ like the Ottomans, Safavids, Oman, and other middle eastern civs like some people were hoping for Crossroads.

But, then again, that assumes that the devs want to include at least one civ from each era in the DLC. For all we know, Crossroads might not actually have any modern civs, those being reserved for Right to Rule...

Considering we have all trees now and all Antiquity and Exploration civs, can't we then have a very narrow prediction of all possibilities for the first DLC pack.

For example, it can have at most one Modern civ, and it would be one between Russia, Britain, Germany/Prussia.
Exploration age only seems to have two left too, Shwedagon Zedi Daw and Notre Dame. The later could come with some form of Exploration age France, but not sure if likely. Shwedagon Zedi Daw would be the Hanthawaddy Kingdom?
Antiquity is the one with a lot more unassociated wonders right now (probably just because the legacy path), but wouldn't surprise me if we get at least two or three of the Crossroads civs from there.

Petition to refer to the upcoming Russia-v-Germany-v-Britain speculations as RGB.

And then Prussia comes instead of Germany to combo break you-. I would prefer to kick Britain and instead have Russia-Prussia-Germany to get RPG.