[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

Man, with all due respect to your wishes, with so many important civilizations missing from the game (Babylon, Assyria, Byzantines, Portugal, Morocco, Goths, Gauls, Siam, Vietnam - just to begin with) we definitely don't need separatist states as playable civilizations, sorry .

And please no, Acre is a meme, it's not even an important state in Brazil. Don't treat states of countries that were temporarily separated as civilizations
I really like this idea, what is important?
I don't think the Gauls are important, neither the Goths.
Why the Gauls make a name? They lost a war against César? Kaiser? Czar?

But I'm also want to play with the Gauls, because I don't think Historical relevance is a thing.
I don't know what is a "peek" of a nation.
I just don't understand, why there are people who still thinking things as someone can be better of someone else.

Who was the Best? American? Or Arabian? Who was the most important? Japan or Germany?
I just can't understand it. Why?

We want to play with Civs we know who are they, I like their history and it is all.
I Want to play with Gaul because they are cool, they can have winged hat. They remember me the Asterix, I like Asterix.

Why we always need to measure the civilization by how much people they kill?
After read the Popol Vuh, I Start to think, we need to praise every nation we can say it name.
Popol Vuh nation, for example lost their name.
They called they self Quiché, the Nahualt conquer they and named it Guatamela, the Spaniards also caled it Terra de Santa Cruz, now a days the game civilization call it as MAYA.
This Maya book speak a lot about the importance of the names.
I will just Quote the last paragraph of this book in Spanish:

"Así, pues, se han acabado todos los del Quiché, que se llama Santa Cruz".

Yes, just like that finish the oldest book write in Americas, the Popol Vuh.
 
I really like this idea, what is important?
I don't think the Gauls are important, neither the Goths.
Why the Gauls make a name? They lost a war against César? Kaiser? Czar?

But I'm also want to play with the Gauls, because I don't think Historical relevance is a thing.
I don't know what is a "peek" of a nation.
I just don't understand, why there are people who still thinking things as someone can be better of someone else.

Who was the Best? American? Or Arabian? Who was the most important? Japan or Germany?
I just can't understand it. Why?

We want to play with Civs we know who are they, I like their history and it is all.
I Want to play with Gaul because they are cool, they can have winged hat. They remember me the Asterix, I like Asterix.

Why we always need to measure the civilization by how much people they kill?
After read the Popol Vuh, I Start to think, we need to praise every nation we can say it name.
Popol Vuh nation, for example lost their name.
They called they self Quiché, the Nahualt conquer they and named it Guatamela, the Spaniards also caled it Terra de Santa Cruz, now a days the game civilization call it as MAYA.
This Maya book speak a lot about the importance of the names.
I will just Quote the last paragraph of this book in Spanish:

"Así, pues, se han acabado todos los del Quiché, que se llama Santa Cruz".

Yes, just like that finish the oldest book write in Americas, the Popol Vuh.

I think Acre, a tiny seperatist state with no record of doing ANYTHING of historical note, is much less deserving than the gauls, who had an advanced social structure and, more importantly, belong to a yet-unexplored culture.
 
I think Acre, a tiny seperatist state with no record of doing ANYTHING of historical note, is much less deserving than the gauls, who had an advanced social structure and, more importantly, belong to a yet-unexplored culture.
I give the Acre example to answer some other players who said about Oklahoma and California State.
For example, if we start to make States, we also need to do it balanced.
If come an USA State, I guess also it should come a Brazilian State.


I Guess is this my point, I just want a fair game and balanced.
I'm tired of my map is so FULL in Eurasia and almost Empty everywhere else.

And about all kind of humans on earth, I think Black people are, by far, the one who had the worst representation.
Despite the Black populations was very important in America history, I just see Black in Africa.
Don't have even an Australian Aborigen, even in Australia there is a White Man.
 
I really like this idea, what is important?
I don't think the Gauls are important, neither the Goths.
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I just don't understand, why there are people who still thinking things as someone can be better of someone else.

Who was the Best? American? Or Arabian? Who was the most important? Japan or Germany?
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Do you see what you did here? First saying you don't think two peoples are important (to history, I assume) then saying you don't understand why people think some are better than others, and then questioning what makes something the most important.

Maybe you could answer your own question? Why do you think the Gauls are not important? Then you give certain parameters stating their value. Then if you put those values to all other civilizations, eventually you will end up with a civ, or a select few, who are most important to you. Doesn't seem that difficult to me.

Personally, I think Civs that didn't have an elaborate writing system, or were largely culturally assimilated or opressed (like the Gauls) are harder to judge. They might have had a hugely important role in the world, or just a very interesting culture, but history is written by the victor.

I give the Acre example to answer some other players who said about Oklahoma and California State.
For example, if we start to make States, we also need to do it balanced.
If come an USA State, I guess also it should come a Brazilian State.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here. "A state" is not just comparable to any other state. Acre, as far as I'm aware, was independent for about four years. Texas has a history much longer than that, is huge in landmass and its economic status (rivalling or dwarfing those of most countries in the world) make it hard to ignore should states become an option.

Simply stating (ha, see what I did there?) that if we get a state from the US we also must have a state from Brazil, that's just favouratism because you are from Brazil (correct?). Can I then have Jutland for Denmark too? What about Flanders in Belgium? Or Baden-Württemberg for Germany? Then we need some African states, and Asian states, and Australian states, and... and...

After all, we need to have it balanced right? What decides this balance?

And about all kind of humans on earth, I think Black people are, by far, the one who had the worst representation.
Despite the Black populations was very important in America history, I just see Black in Africa.
Don't have even an Australian Aborigen, even in Australia there is a White Man.

I think the native people in the Americas had far worse representation than Black people in the world (considering the many great nations in Africa throughout history and their importance in US history). Black people, in America, had bad representation, but even there I think they are better represented than the natives of the lands. Also, speaking in world-wide terms, it's hard to talk about "black people" because then essentially you are seeing them as one group, which is as racist as can be. People of all skin colours have a wide range of different languages, cultures, religions, etc. Samí people (Lapland) are white, but also not that well represented in the world. Same goes for a lot of smaller states or cultures in African history. Same goes for smaller states and cultures in European history, middle-eastern history, Asian history, etc.

The reason that you don't see that many black people in America in Civ, as leaders, is because there weren't that many.

The reason you don't see Australian indigenous peoples is because some (all? I don't know exactly) have religious beliefs against being depicted. So, respectfully, Firaxis does not go there.
 
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Do you see what you did here? First saying you don't think two peoples are important (to history, I assume) then saying you don't understand why people think some are better than others, and then questioning what makes something the most important.

Maybe you could answer your own question? Why do you think the Gauls are not important? Then you give certain parameters stating their value. Then if you put those values to all other civilizations, eventually you will end up with a civ, or a select few, who are most important to you. Doesn't seem that difficult to me.

Personally, I think Civs that didn't have an elaborate writing system, or were largely culturally assimilated or opressed (like the Gauls) are harder to judge. They might have had a hugely important role in the world, or just a very interesting culture, but history is written by the victor.
Is that the why I want to understand what is Important.
I don't know what you understand as Important...

Why the Gaul are important? And also, Why something can be important or not?
As a game, we should ask.

Will I have fun if I play with Gaul?.
YES! I Will, Of course.

Next question, the Gaul civ have other similar already in game.
I will say also, YES, I guess the Gaul spot already have Scotia.
Gaul can wait a bit more.

Is that the way I guess we should decide the next civ.
Importance for me don't make any sense.
What we want is, Historical Appeal, we want leaders and units, we want to see our self, we want to play and have fun.
Nothing more.
 
how do gallia and scotland overlap?

Also, in case it wasn’t obvious, the oklahoma thing was a joke
 
Next question, the Gaul civ have other similar already in game.
I will say also, YES, I guess the Gaul spot already have Scotia.
Gaul can wait a bit more.

I think you are confusing something here. Maybe that Scots are Celtish, and Gauls too according to the Romans. But just because the Romans called them both Celts, does not mean Scots and Celts are the same nation...
 
I think you are confusing something here. Maybe that Scots are Celtish, and Gauls too according to the Romans. But just because the Romans called them both Celts, does not mean Scots and Celts are the same nation...
keep in mind that he thought that akbar thought he was a mongol emperor and that Charlemagne, the Ottomans, and Russia should all be alt leaders to Rome.
 
I'm not sure how [the Ostrogothic Kingdom] is any better than a proposed Italy Civ, if Ravenna is in modern day Italy as well, when it comes to TSL.

Maybe Kingdom of Sardinia? No TSL overlap with Rome, legal predecessor of Italy. Could even be the Austria or Venice of this civ game (city-state unification bonuses?). But it's more modern age Italy - if Italy gets in, I would prefer 19th century Italy, despite the popular demand of a renaissance Italy.
 
Maybe Kingdom of Sardinia? No TSL overlap with Rome, legal predecessor of Italy. Could even be the Austria or Venice of this civ game (city-state unification bonuses?). But it's more modern age Italy - if Italy gets in, I would prefer 19th century Italy, despite the popular demand of a renaissance Italy.
Vittorio Emmanuel II leads the Kingdom of Sardinia in Civ 6, New Frontier

I can see it. Bonus to capturing city states or having a peaceful way to incorporate them would be cool
 
About Importance.
I Guess a CIV of RIO GRANDE DO SUL would be way more fun to play than some Boring Byzantine - Greek - Rome Empire
Rio Grande do Sul was fightng against the Empire in the age of Revolutions.
They Unique Improvement can be the Inland Port.
YES, you can do naval units inside your territory, don't neet to be at a coast. *Just can do naval units, no other bonus.

Also again, the Leader
Giuseppe Garibaldi

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Leader of 3 worlds,
Fight against the Empire in the New World and United Italian Republic.
And also this suspicious White King in Africa who I really think look like Garibaldi:>
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This suspicious white guy who look like Garibaldi is Francisco Félix de Souza was the Chachá I of Ouidah, still have the Ouidáh kingdom there still today. The greatest Brazilan-Afro-Heritage community.
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And the Unique Unit.
Gaucho - The mix race cowboy with strong German heritage and using Boleadera, the same as the Incas and other Native persons of South America.
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Horseman unit with ranged atack, +10 against Horseman unit
 
I Guess a CIV of RIO GRANDE DO SUL would be way more fun to play than some Boring Byzantine - Greek - Rome Empire

suspicious White King in Africa who I really think look like Garibaldi:

This suspicious white guy who look like Garibaldi is Francisco Félix de Souza was the Chachá I of Ouidah, still have the Ouidáh kingdom there still today. The greatest Brazilan-Afro-Heritage community

The mix race cowboy with strong German heritage and using Boleadera

why are you so obsessed with race oh my god
 
Actually what I want is a faith/culture superpower Irish civ with monasteries and the Book of Kells and all that, plus the absolute saddest theme music in the game--even more than Norway, Scythia, or Japan. :p

I'm sorry, but we aready had ominous/sad celtic music in Civ V, I want joy! I want something in the lines (but more historically accurate) of Boudicca music in Civ IV! Celtci people, and especially Ireland, were famous fore their dances that were all over their calendar for whatever reason. I want a music I'll to resist to not dance to! I want joy, happiness, vibrations, strong emotions!

I Want to play with Gaul because they are cool, they can have winged hat. They remember me the Asterix, I like Asterix.

As as French who don't want to see the Gauls in the game (for various reasons), seeing someone wanting the Gauls because of Astérix is part of the problem for me.
We don't need civs because we liked how they were represented in medias because Firaxis do (or at least try very hard) to do something historically accurate. And, as a French as I repeat it, the depiction of the Gauls in Asterix is such an oversimplication with so many inaccuracy that if ever they will be in the game you'll be disappointed because you'll have a metallurgic wine trading civilization and not you little village that resist, again and again, against the invader...
Enough people are complaining about Zulus and Aztecs being a staple because they were depicted a lot in medias when civ I came out (there is nothing against those civilizations per se but they might take the place of more "worthy" civilization on the same location), people are also complaining to have (semi)mythical characters as leaders (Dido and Gilgamesh), it's not the time to base our reclamations on popular medias and especially cartoons (especially in France and Belgium where we treating our History with little to no respect for accuracy in favor to national History).

I give the Acre example to answer some other players who said about Oklahoma and California State.
For example, if we start to make States, we also need to do it balanced.
If come an USA State, I guess also it should come a Brazilian State.


I Guess is this my point, I just want a fair game and balanced.
I'm tired of my map is so FULL in Eurasia and almost Empty everywhere else.

And about all kind of humans on earth, I think Black people are, by far, the one who had the worst representation.
Despite the Black populations was very important in America history, I just see Black in Africa.
Don't have even an Australian Aborigen, even in Australia there is a White Man.

All you said about wanting independist states as civs to play is just... crazy. I mean, see all the fuss about Scotland because its abilities are based upon its British times, and Scotland had a right to be considered a civ and an independent nation for centuries! A lot of people are also complaining about having so many post-colonial civs (Canada, USA, Brazil, Australia) to not letting independist of post-colonial nations taking a spot for more historical and representating ones.

And about all kind of humans on earth, I think Black people are, by far, the one who had the worst representation.
Despite the Black populations was very important in America history, I just see Black in Africa.
Don't have even an Australian Aborigen, even in Australia there is a White Man.

You complain about Blacks not being enough represented, but the fact is Black people (not "mixed-race" as you put sooo much attention into it it becomes embarassing) were mostly originated from Africa and Australia. For Australia, we already responded to you enough: Firaxis does not want to represent Aborigens from Australia in the game for respect for them because they don't want to. But you have a weird obsession about them. At first, I thought you were genuinely defending the cause of representation of Black people in the game (which, is true, could be more inclusive). But seeing all the fuss you do about Aborigens, I begin to think that you don't want to respect those cultures. Wanting to shoehorn the Aborigens "for better representation of Black people" is utterly a lack of respect for those same Black people that don't want representation. You clearly have an Agenda without the least respect for the people you ought to "defend". I don't know if you're a person of color, but just know that being one does not magically protect you from racism.


And please: stop wanting Garibaldi for Rio Grande dol Sul. Even if it was a legit choice (which is absolutely not), we have enough European leaders that we don't need them leading Non-European civs.
 
Vittorio Emmanuel II leads the Kingdom of Sardinia in Civ 6, New Frontier

I can see it. Bonus to capturing city states or having a peaceful way to incorporate them would be cool
Sardinia would have a very obvious delegation food choice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu

'Be sure to eat it while the maggots are still wriggling!' :mischief:
 
Is that the why I want to understand what is Important.
I don't know what you understand as Important...

Why the Gaul are important? And also, Why something can be important or not?
As a game, we should ask.

Will I have fun if I play with Gaul?.
YES! I Will, Of course.

Next question, the Gaul civ have other similar already in game.
I will say also, YES, I guess the Gaul spot already have Scotia.
Gaul can wait a bit more.

Is that the way I guess we should decide the next civ.
Importance for me don't make any sense.
What we want is, Historical Appeal, we want leaders and units, we want to see our self, we want to play and have fun.
Nothing more.
Important means:
1. archived a certain level of development
2. has an impact on world history
3. has a distinct, significant and recognized culture
4. at some point of history has a strong army and recognizable war tactics, units or war technology
5. at least in one of those above stands out from the rest possible civs.
6. gives value to the game: either enable some fun game mechanic or just answer fanbase demands.

And now answer those questions for Gauls and Acre...
 
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I really like this idea, what is important?
I don't think the Gauls are important, neither the Goths.
Why the Gauls make a name? They lost a war against César? Kaiser? Czar?

that is like saying mesoamerica civilizations ( Aztec, Inca and Maya) aren't important because they lost to Spain. And yet as of 2020 all three of them are in civ 6.
Ever since Scotland became its own thing I think Gauls can be its own civ. If you read Astrex you will see that at least modern French people think Gauls are different from Scots.

I don't like the idea of states being their own civs when its nation is already in the game. It just overlaps too much. I do believe Civ can do something with State system but making state like RIO GRANDE DO SUL and Texas to be its own civ... why? When Brazil and America is already in the game... what is next Jeju Island be its own civ separate from Korea?
 
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And about all kind of humans on earth, I think Black people are, by far, the one who had the worst representation.
Despite the Black populations was very important in America history, I just see Black in Africa.
Don't have even an Australian Aborigen, even in Australia there is a White Man.
Blacks in America — there’s been only one black guy as president, and he would anger half the American players
Aboriginals — we’ve been over this, it is cultural taboo (not made by the white man, but by the aboriginals themselves) to portray/talk about the dead, so it’d be really hard to do a leader

it would be great to have more cultural representation in this game, but you still have to fit the facts: black people have only really lead in Africa until recent times, when the people would be remembered for their divisive politics, not their good ideas. So use more African civs.

About Importance.
I Guess a CIV of RIO GRANDE DO SUL would be way more fun to play than some Boring Byzantine - Greek - Rome Empire
Rio Grande do Sul was fightng against the Empire in the age of Revolutions.
They Unique Improvement can be the Inland Port.
YES, you can do naval units inside your territory, don't neet to be at a coast. *Just can do naval units, no other bonus.
this civ sound cool, but naval units on land would break the game, and besides, we already have land equivalents for all of the naval units. Maybe naval units can travel along rivers, and you can build your ports there?
Also again, the Leader
Giuseppe Garibaldi
If we’re having garibaldi, he’s gonna lead a unified Italy (I kinda want a Renaissance one though). That would be like some Habsburg as a Dutch alt — they ruled that nation, but it wasn’t their main country

Edit: I just looked this up on Wikipedia, and it’s just another Brazilian state? They should add the Guaraní, Muisca first
 
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that is like saying mesoamerica civilizations ( Aztec, Inca and Maya) aren't important because they lost to Spain. And yet as of 2020 all three of them are in civ 6.
Ever since Scotland became its own thing I think Gauls can be its own civ. If you read Astrex you will see that at least modern French people think Gauls are different from Scots.

Am French, I can confirm: Gauls and Scots are two vastly different people and we don't see them as the same people at all. If I may give a comparison, I'll say how we see the relation between Gauls and ancient populations of British Islands is the same as between France and Italy nowadays: lots of similitudes, boardly common heritage but not at all the same whatsoever

If we’re having garibaldi, he’s gonna lead a unified Italy (I kinda want a Renaissance one though). That would be like some Habsburg as a Dutch alt — they ruled that nation, but it wasn’t their main country

As much as I love Garibaldi and as much as I understand his importance the Risorgimento as one of the three fathers of Italy, he never has been anything else than a mere representative in an official sense. Wouldn't it be like if we had Switzerland led by William Tell (the mythical side removed)?
 
Blacks in America — there’s been only one black guy as president, and he would anger half the American players
Aboriginals — we’ve been over this, it is cultural taboo (not made by the white man, but by the aboriginals themselves) to portray/talk about the dead, so it’d be really hard to do a leader

it would be great to have more cultural representation in this game, but you still have to fit the facts: black people have only really lead in Africa until recent times, when the people would be remembered for their divisive politics, not their good ideas. So use more African civs.
America-( not native Americans but Colonial America) was born by whites- by founding fathers. African Americans were kidnapped and were forcefully immigrated to America. I am not being racist but merely stating facts- that blacks were not heavily involved with birth of America.
 
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