[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Zaarin]

I'm sorry, but we aready had ominous/sad celtic music in Civ V, I want joy! I want something in the lines (but more historically accurate) of Boudicca music in Civ IV! Celtci people, and especially Ireland, were famous fore their dances that were all over their calendar for whatever reason. I want a music I'll to resist to not dance to! I want joy, happiness, vibrations, strong emotions!

Compromise? A sad-but-danceable song like "Siúil A Rún"? Besides, Scotland is right across the Irish Sea with "Scotland the Brave/Bonnie Dundee." Sure, Ireland is famous for jigs, but they're also famous for sad-sounding songs on the penny whistle or harp. Just like Norway could have had "Fanitullen," but we got the absolutely saddest rendition of "Gjendines bådnlåt." Jaunty Scotland vs. melancholy Ireland would also compare nicely to jaunty Sweden vs. melancholy Norway.

speaking of Africa... who do you guys think will lead Ethiopia? I kinda hope good old haile selassie would return but I don't mind seeing Menelik II. ( I am bit biased toward Halie due to his action of sending his soldiers to Korean War.)

I want Zar'a Ya`qob, I'm expected Menelik II, but I'll be happy as long as it's not Haile Selassie or Zewditu.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Compromise? A sad-but-danceable song like "Siúil A Rún"? Besides, Scotland is right across the Irish Sea with "Scotland the Brave/Bonnie Dundee." Sure, Ireland is famous for jigs, but they're also famous for sad-sounding songs on the penny whistle or harp. Just like Norway could have had "Fanitullen," but we got the absolutely saddest rendition of "Gjendines bådnlåt." Jaunty Scotland vs. melancholy Ireland would also compare nicely to jaunty Sweden vs. melancholy Norway.


I want Zar'a Ya`qob, I'm expected Menelik II, but I'll be happy as long as it's not Haile Selassie or Zewditu.

is zewditu an actual suggestion people have requested? wasn’t she just a puppet for Selassie?

 

[PhoenicianGold]

we know enough about their founder and first major leader, Mutopa and Matope. We also know quite a bit about later Mutapa because of Portuguese accounts, which are fairly unbiased in comparison to most portuguese accounts. They wrote about Emperor Mwenemutapa.

However, if the devs chose to just make a Shona civ, they have options from the Rozvi, Mutapa and Zimbabwe kingdoms, and more.

Oh yeah I wasn't disputing that they covered more territory than the Zulu, just that as far as overcrowding goes it seems that they have the least advantage of the four major unrepresented regions. Plus the fact that the next most-crowded area in the Gulf of Guinea has at least one female leader which makes them a tad more attractive.

Compromise? A sad-but-danceable song like "Siúil A Rún"? Besides, Scotland is right across the Irish Sea with "Scotland the Brave/Bonnie Dundee." Sure, Ireland is famous for jigs, but they're also famous for sad-sounding songs on the penny whistle or harp. Just like Norway could have had "Fanitullen," but we got the absolutely saddest rendition of "Gjendines bådnlåt." Jaunty Scotland vs. melancholy Ireland would also compare nicely to jaunty Sweden vs. melancholy Norway.

Okay, I'd buy it's a beautiful song. As long as we still got pubs and leprechauns.

is zewditu an actual suggestion people have requested? wasn’t she just a puppet for Selassie?

She has been suggested here and there. She is notable for being the last empress regnant. After Kristina, I'm not discounting any female rulers with even the thinnest of achievements as long as they were "unique." Would still vastly prefer Haile or Menelik.

 

[Zaarin]

is zewditu an actual suggestion people have requested? wasn’t she just a puppet for Selassie?

I've seen a few requests for her over the years. I'm guessing some people see a woman's name on the list and don't bother to check whether she was actually an effective leader. She wasn't a puppet for Selassie--the two disliked each other intensely--but her reign was pretty unremarkable. There's absolutely no reason to pick her over Zar'a Ya`qob, Menelik II, or even her successor Haile Selassie.

Okay, I'd buy it's a beautiful song. As long as we still got pubs and leprechauns.

Only because "shillelagh" is a ridiculously fun word. And Ireland still needs a monastery as its UI, but pubs could surely be worked into the CUA. I can't think of a better UU off the top of my head, so sure, why not a leprechaun?

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Brian Boru leads Ireland in Civ 6, New Frontier

UA: Emerald Isle: All buildings and wonders which provide culture also provide +2 faith. theatre district buildings each have 1 additional music slot.

LA: House of O’Brian: Units getting +10 combat bonus when attacking city states following the same religion as Ireland. Unlocks the monastery as a unique infrastructure

LUI: Monastery: Holy Site Replacement. +2 adjacency for cliffs, +1 for coast.

UU: Bard: Civilian unit capable of producing irish folk songs as great music works. Irish Folk Songs produce +1 faith, +1 culture and +1 tourism compared to a standard great work of music.

UI: Pub: City Center Building that provides +3 culture, +2 food, +1 housing.

 

[ButtBillionaire]

Just like Norway could have had "Fanitullen," but we got the absolutely saddest rendition of "Gjendines bådnlåt." Jaunty Scotland vs. melancholy Ireland would also compare nicely to jaunty Sweden vs. melancholy Norway.

I must admit that Gjendines bånlåt - which I regrettably hadn't even heard prior to the game's release - has grown on me quite a lot. I remember wishing that something more well-known to Norwegians had been used, but now I'm glad that something more obscure was given greater attention. What I do still wish they'd done is feature the hardingfele in the ambient tracks, for example in a rendition of Kjerringa med staven or, like you said, Fanitullen. However, I suppose the more upbeat and energetic hardingfele would have been somewhat juxtapositioned with the melancholic and wistful tones of the bukkehorn.

In general I wouldn't have minded an expansion to the ambient tracks at all, Norwegian or otherwise (to my knowledge Sumeria doesn't even have any, despite many other ambient tracks being pure improv), but it's far from being the biggest priority.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

LUI: Monastery: Holy Site Replacement. +2 adjacency for cliffs, +1 for coast.

Harald says hi!

Considering it's already a unique improvement for Armagh, I'm sure they would just keep it that way for gameplay purposes, and not make it a whole new district. Though they could change up the bonuses and make them gain extra faith for Holy sites and coast.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Ireland’s UUs should be the Gallóglaich (Gallowglass) replacing the man-at-arms (aka medieval infantry not yet in the game) and the Ceithernach (Kern), replacing the skirmisher.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Harald says hi!

Considering it's already a unique improvement for Armagh, I'm sure they would just keep it that way for gameplay purposes, and not make it a whole new district. Though they could change up the bonuses and make them gain extra faith for Holy sites and coast.

i don’t know if it’s that similar to harald

and i mean, the only reason it’s an improvement for Armagh is a city state giving a district replacement would be OP.

I’d hope that regardless of the monastery improvement, Ireland would bet it as a district replacement because that would be more fun

Ireland’s UUs should be the Gallóglaich (Gallowglass) replacing the man-at-arms (aka medieval infantry not yet in the game) and the Ceithernach (Kern), replacing the skirmisher.

I considered the Kern, but i thought having the bard would be more fun and just as representative.

I was also considering giving one of the two as a LUU, but since Brian alreayd had a LUI, I didn’t want to make Ireland have double of everything

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

i don’t know if it’s that similar to harald

I was talking about his coastal raiding. Those monasteries would be ripe for the taking, like they were in real life for the Vikings.

and i mean, the only reason it’s an improvement for Armagh is a city state giving a district replacement would be OP.

I’d hope that regardless of the monastery improvement, Ireland would bet it as a district replacement because that would be more fun

I don't actually expect Ireland to get in but I would think, since they already have the art graphic for the monastery, they wouldn't change it if it became a UI for a Civ.

 

[bite]

I hope Ethiopia incorporate their underground churches somehow

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I hope Ethiopia incorporate their underground churches somehow

People seem to be of the opinion that Ethiopia will have rock-hewn churches as their unique instead of comparatively boring Stelae from V.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I was talking about his coastal raiding. Those monasteries would be ripe for the taking, like they were in real life for the Vikings.


I don't actually expect Ireland to get in but I would think, since they already have the art graphic for the monastery, they wouldn't change it if it became a UI for a Civ.

they could shrink it down and make it part of the monastery as a district aesthetic.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I hope Ethiopia incorporate their underground churches somehow

The name sounds almost similar to a Secret Society. Hopefully there is a connection.

People seem to be of the opinion that Ethiopia will have rock-hewn churches as their unique instead of comparatively boring Stelae from V.

Considering we have unique graphics for the monuments, I don't see the need for a stelae unless it could replace the shrine. Though if it is an additional leader UI, I wouldn't mind because it would have to come from an Axum leader.

 

[Zaarin]

I must admit that Gjendines bånlåt - which I regrettably hadn't even heard prior to the game's release - has grown on me quite a lot. I remember wishing that something more well-known to Norwegians had been used, but now I'm glad that something more obscure was given greater attention. What I do still wish they'd done is feature the hardingfele in the ambient tracks, for example in a rendition of Kjerringa med staven or, like you said, Fanitullen. However, I suppose the more upbeat and energetic hardingfele would have been somewhat juxtapositioned with the melancholic and wistful tones of the bukkehorn.

In general I wouldn't have minded an expansion to the ambient tracks at all, Norwegian or otherwise (to my knowledge Sumeria doesn't even have any, despite many other ambient tracks being pure improv), but it's far from being the biggest priority.

Same. I initially found Norway's music a little nondescript, but over the years it's become one of my favorites. I agree about missing the hardingfele, though; it's one of my favorite instruments.

Harald says hi!

Considering it's already a unique improvement for Armagh, I'm sure they would just keep it that way for gameplay purposes, and not make it a whole new district. Though they could change up the bonuses and make them gain extra faith for Holy sites and coast.

If Ireland became a civ, I'd be disappointed if Armagh's Monastery were just transferred to Ireland. For one thing, something based on Iona Abbey*, for instance, would look more Irish. For another, it needs Culture/Science bonuses. There were monasteries all over Europe; the big deal about Irish monasteries was how instrumental they were in preserving Classical learning during the Early Middle Ages--and for originating Insular art.

*I realize Iona is in Scotland, but the Abbey was Irish.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

If Ireland became a civ, I'd be disappointed if Armagh's Monastery were just transferred to Ireland. For one thing, something based on Iona Abbey*, for instance, would look more Irish. For another, it needs Culture/Science bonuses. There were monasteries all over Europe; the big deal about Irish monasteries was how instrumental they were in preserving Classical learning during the Early Middle Ages--and for originating Insular art.

*I realize Iona is in Scotland, but the Abbey was Irish.

Hence why I hope that if we get ireland, the monastery is a district

but we also need the pub

I would play my ireland design. It seems genuinely fun

 

[Zaarin]

Hence why I hope that if we get ireland, the monastery is a district

but we also need the pub

I would play my ireland design. It seems genuinely fun

Yeah, I like your design, though I agree with @The Kingmaker about the UU. If we got Ireland in Civ7 I think they'd work great as a cross between Russia (Culture-generating Holy Site) and a Culture/Faith-focused Maya (designed to be small and tightly focused).

 

[PhoenicianGold]

An idea for Burma:

I think the paya is a strong candidate for a Holy Site UD, given that they tended to be complexes that extended beyond stupas. We could use a second Holy Site UD and I think a Buddhist counterpart to the lavra would be pretty elegant.

Also, Burmese payas tended to be gilded and housed treasuries. So my proposal would be for Burma to have some sort of unique ability where they can exchange gold for faith. I've always wondered if we might get a currency-converting civ and again the paya is a structure that kind of invites that sort of cross-mechanical thinking. Gold-to-faith also seems like a fun mechanic specifically because of all the ways you can get gold through deals with other civs.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Speaking of currencies functioning as other currencies, I always thought a civ that could bank the per turn currencies like food, production, science and culture and save them for later would be interesting and practically useful

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Yeah, I like your design, though I agree with @The Kingmaker about the UU. If we got Ireland in Civ7 I think they'd work great as a cross between Russia (Culture-generating Holy Site) and a Culture/Faith-focused Maya (designed to be small and tightly focused).

I agree that ideally i’d like to see the gallowglass, or another Irish UU, but I feel like a bard unit would be more interesting and fit into a culture/faith based Ireland much better