[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[PhoenicianGold]

Eva Peron is not like the Gandhi of South America, where did you get that (i could see it maybe in Argentina)

Specifically in the context of Civ design. In that she's been put on quite a pedestal as a martyr by western media and really isn't a very good leader choice for the civ in question.

 

[zhugejingqi]

There’s a few notable inaccuracies in this comment. Namely, South America cpuld definitely use more civs. I’d prefer the Muisca and Guarani personally, since they’re native civs and are quite interesting, but Argentina would be fairly distinct from Gran Colombia since it’s more influenced by Europe. Likewise, Bolivar didn’t liberate all of South America, which makes him a fine leader option who also leaves Argentina open as a civ option. I hope Colombia and Bolivar return though, i think it’s a better option than bringing in a replacement for Colombia, especially as Bolivar remains a massive influence in modern Northern SA politics, especially in leftist

No one says he liberated the whole of South America. Most of the time, he meant South America. Besides, if you want more indigenous people in South America, I have no objection. Argentina and which civilizations already in the game overlap, I have pointed out. I'll repeat it again and be more specific.Geographically, Argentina and Mapuche overlap. It is culturally different from Spain and Brazil, but not particularly obvious. The other is the outstanding agricultural aspect, feeling that they will have a special improvement similar to the Australian inland pasture.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

The other is the outstanding agricultural aspect, feeling that they will have a special improvement similar to the Australian inland pasture.

nah, Argentina would definitely get a tango hall imo

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

No one says he liberated the whole of South America. Most of the time, he meant South America. Besides, if you want more indigenous people in South America, I have no objection. Argentina and which civilizations already in the game overlap, I have pointed out. I'll repeat it again and be more specific.Geographically, Argentina and Mapuche overlap. It is culturally different from Spain and Brazil, but not particularly obvious. The other is the outstanding agricultural aspect, feeling that they will have a special improvement similar to the Australian inland pasture.

I can agree with you in a sense. I don't think we need both Argentina and Gran Colombia, but I wouldn't hate it if it did appear. I don't expect it personally and do think that South America is done.
Also the whole overlap theory might not be as accurate anymore considering we got both the Cree and Canada and the majority of the Mapuche's homeland is in Chile.

Even if they did come it wouldn't be with Jose San Martin, another liberator, that's for sure for differentiation. And like other people have said there's no reason that Argentina couldn't get a cultural building regarding like a Tango Salon. Buenos Aires is considered the "Paris of South America" after all.

 

[untitledjuan]

In the game, the liberator of South America is more like a terrible conqueror.

For the colonial Spanish Empire, Bolívar was in fact a terrible conqueror

 

[Thenewwwguy]

For the colonial Spanish Empire, Bolívar was in fact a terrible conqueror

unfortunately civ does a poor job of distinguishing liberation from imperialism. Bolivar being a domination civ proves that. If colonialism was a more fleshed out mechanic, liberation civ’s like Mapuche and colombia would be able to be more thematically accurate.

 

[AsH2]

nah, Argentina would definitely get a tango hall imo

Not if Finland get one first.

 

[8housesofelixir]

unfortunately civ does a poor job of distinguishing liberation from imperialism. Bolivar being a domination civ proves that. If colonialism was a more fleshed out mechanic, liberation civ’s like Mapuche and colombia would be able to be more thematically accurate.

What about Scotland's bonus on War of Liberation? I think under the mechanic we can think of, that's the closet we can get.

When implemented in the game, colonization will more likely to be create puppet/vassal states with a gold-focused income, and a war of liberation can be applied to their suzerain.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

What about Scotland's bonus on War of Liberation? I think under the mechanic we can think of, that's the closet we can get.

When implemented in the game, colonization will more likely to be create puppet/vassal states with a gold-focused income, and a war of liberation can be applied to their suzerain.

bonuses on various war types tend to be fairly useless (and in colombia’s case, they couldn’t use it since it had to be base game compatible). That’s why Chandragupta, Scotland and the other civ’s with bonuses on certain types of wars tend to be pretty bad. They could seriously benefit from making defensive civs and colonialism more fleshed out so civs like Scotland, Mapuche, Ethiopia, Colombia can have that thematic twist to them


sooo, how about that burkina faso civ

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

bonuses on various war types tend to be fairly useless (and in colombia’s case, they couldn’t use it since it had to be base game compatible). That’s why Chandragupta, Scotland and the other civ’s with bonuses on certain types of wars tend to be pretty bad. They could seriously benefit from making defensive civs and colonialism more fleshed out so civs like Scotland, Mapuche, Ethiopia, Colombia can have that thematic twist to them


sooo, how about that burkina faso civ

Certain casus belli like War of Liberation are in the base game though so he could have gotten bonuses toward certain types of war.
It might not sound totally accurate but he could have had bonuses toward a Reconquest War, though I could see a civ like Vietnam get that even more.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Certain casus belli like War of Liberation are in the base game though so he could have gotten bonuses toward certain types of war.
It might not sound totally accurate but he could have had bonuses toward a Reconquest War, though I could see a civ like Vietnam get that even more.

i think liberation, protectorate, reconquest would’ve been good, but like i said, the casus belli abilities are notably terrible

 

[LoneRebel]

Also more recently we got Simon Bolivar who was a Great General who was replaced with José de San Martin.

I was wondering why José de San Martin was suddenly in the game. I see the discussion has turned to the possibility of Argentina. This has been suggested by some in Youtube comments sections. I recall one comment saying that if Argentina were added, between them, Brazil, the Inca, the Mapuche, and Gran Colombia, most of South America would already be covered.

Having said that, I don't think they'll add another South American civ precisely because the region is close to filled out while other regions (cough cough Southeast Asia) are not.

If it's MoorTires, doesn't that sound a lot like Morocco? Maybe they'll add both Morocco and Portugal similar to what Age of Empires II's African Kingdoms expansion did?

 

[TahamiTsunami]

For all the talk of a modern or a southern African civ, I'm surprised that there hasn't been any mention at all of Botswana and Seretse Khama. Turning of the world's poorest countries into one of if not the most prosperous country in Africa with the continent's oldest continuous democracy is quite a herculean achievement!

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I think we have enough more interesting possible Civs to explore in Africa or even South America than another modern nation like Argentina or South Africa. This is Civilization, not Realpoiltics

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Having said that, I don't think they'll add another South American civ precisely because the region is close to filled out while other regions (cough cough Southeast Asia) are not.

If it's MoorTires, doesn't that sound a lot like Morocco? Maybe they'll add both Morocco and Portugal similar to what Age of Empires II's African Kingdoms expansion did?

According to a leak we should get Vietnam in January.
If we do get anything from North Africa I would personally prefer a pre-Islamic Berber civ.

 

[bite]

According to a leak we should get Vietnam in January.
If we do get anything from North Africa I would personally prefer a pre-Islamic Berber civ.

\Been out of the loop for a bit with some family stuff so may I ask, what leak?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

\Been out of the loop for a bit with some family stuff so may I ask, what leak?

It's not really a leak. There was a notepad file in the game files referencing Kublai Khan and Vietnam. And when compared to similar notepad files from other DLCs, it was apparent that it was an informal name referencing the contents of a DLC that hasn't been released yet. And then, Firaxis hotfixed it out of the files.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

It's not really a leak. There was a notepad file in the game files referencing Kublai Khan and Vietnam. And when compared to similar notepad files from other DLCs, it was apparent that it was an informal name referencing the contents of a DLC that hasn't been released yet. And then, Firaxis hotfixed it out of the files.

Wasn't really sure what to call it and I've seen it being called a leak. Either way the info got out.

 

[Karmah]

Wasn't really sure what to call it and I've seen it being called a leak. Either way the info got out.

It's a leak
As in an embargoed piece of information got out.Obviously not an intentional one.

 

[bite]

It's not really a leak. There was a notepad file in the game files referencing Kublai Khan and Vietnam. And when compared to similar notepad files from other DLCs, it was apparent that it was an informal name referencing the contents of a DLC that hasn't been released yet. And then, Firaxis hotfixed it out of the files.

Well .... someone* should go update the Features Thread

*aka me