[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Thenewwwguy]

interestingly geneva is still a city-state (taken over in the video), even though it was founded by the Allbrogian and Helvetii Gauls

 

[AaronTBD]

interestingly geneva is still a city-state (taken over in the video), even though it was founded by the Allbrogian and Helvetii Gauls

It probably cause when people think of Geneva, it's more in a industrial and modern sense.

 

[reddishrecue]

Haha, Gaul!

I knew Scotland wasn’t a replacement for the Celts!

I saw that coming too but without Cardiff.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

also @SeelingCat do you have a plan for how you’ll handle both Byz and Ottomans having Constantinople as their capital in the Improved City Names/Rosetta Stone module?

I’d assume either Bursa or Edirne becomes Ottoman capital if the Byz are in the game?

 

[The Kingmaker]

I saw that coming too but without Cardiff.

We’ve been calling for a proper de-blobbing of the Celts for years now. This is cause for rejoicing.

 

[AaronTBD]

Haha, Gaul!

I knew Scotland wasn’t a replacement for the Celts!

I don't know why so many people thought it was. Minus geographical location and ethnicity, Scotland had almost nothing in common with Civ 5's Celts.

 

[SeelingCat]

also @SeelingCat do you have a plan for how you’ll handle both Byz and Ottomans having Constantinople as their capital in the Improved City Names/Rosetta Stone module?

I’d assume either Bursa or Edirne becomes Ottoman capital if the Byz are in the game?

As it works right now (assuming nothing suprising), it would just pick a name at random from the city list for whoever founded their capital later. I'll probably wind up coding a special circumstance for this case most likely

 

[Thenewwwguy]

As it works right now (assuming nothing suprising), it would just pick a name at random from the city list for whoever founded their capital later. I'll probably wind up coding a special circumstance for this case most likely

seems like a good idea, although (i don’t know if this is possible) if both are in the game i think constantinople should defer to the byz even if they’re founding the capital later since they don’t really have another capital option.

You’re the modder, you probably know if that’s possible or not, but just a thought.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

It probably cause when people think of Geneva, it's more in a industrial and modern sense.

Or just the fact that it's in modern-day Switzerland.
It could still be a Gaulish city with the proper spelling of Genava or Genawa as it was called back then.

I don't know why so many people thought it was. Minus geographical location and ethnicity, Scotland had almost nothing in common with Civ 5's Celts.

Half of the cities were also Scottish, well maybe not half but still.
Either way Scotland's introduction probably meant that the Celtic blob was going to be broken up and Gaul just made it definitely real.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Ambiorix falls in line as another defensive colonial resistance leader, like Bolivar and Menelik. Basil, meanwhile, was a conquering, local expansion leader like Lady Six Sky and (again) Menelik.

Going along with this, Kublai would be a expansionist, while the Vietnamese leader will probably be defensive.

A hittite, babylonian, assyrian leader would be expansionists and a native american civ would be defensive

Looks like we’re seeing a pattern.

 

[8housesofelixir]

"Byzantium is all about conquest, whether militarily or religiously"

Sad in-game Phillip II noises.

 

[SirMediocrity]

The Byzantine guy in the corner seems to have a white beard and the standard Byzantine crown. My money is on Basil II as he is one of the most well-known Byzantine emperors and tends to be portrayed as having a white/grey beard.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that he helped form the Varangian Guard, which could be incorporated into his design as a unique unit.

 

[Zaarin]

Byzantium was what I expected, but I wouldn't have guessed the Gauls. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

Aduatuca is the Gallic Capital:
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I'd say: Ambiorix confirmed.

I hope not. The Belgae were only ambiguously Gaulish. I'd much rather have Dumnorix or Divitiacus.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

EDIT: I forgot to mention that he helped form the Varangian Guard, which could be incorporated into his design as a unique unit.

the guard are like a byz mehal saferi, it’s possible they won’t show up

I hope not. The Belgae were only ambiguously Gaulish. I'd much rather have Dumnorix or Divitiacus.

what do you mean ambiguously gaulish?

 

[SirMediocrity]

what do you mean ambiguously gaulish?

From what I call tell, there are several layers to the word "Gallic" (much like the term "Scythian"). There is the broader definition, which includes the Belgae, Aquitanians, Cisalpine Gauls, Pannonian Gauls, and Gaul proper. You can narrow it down a lot until you mainly just include the regions of Gaul in France.

I'm guessing Zaarin was referring to something along these lines.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The Byzantine guy in the corner seems to have a white beard and the standard Byzantine crown. My money is on Basil II as he is one of the most well-known Byzantine emperors and tends to be portrayed as having a white/grey beard.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that he helped form the Varangian Guard, which could be incorporated into his design as a unique unit.

I just kind of like the confirmation that they won't be getting a cataphract, which wasn't necessarily Byzantine in origin in the first place.

the guard are like a byz mehal saferi, it’s possible they won’t show up

I mean we do technically already have Harald Hadrada, who was a member and captain, and they are mentioned on his bio. I like the idea more of them showing up for Basil II than the Mehal Sefari for Menelik II, personally.

 

[Haig]

I still think Portugal is coming, they seem to give lots of fan favorites and it seems to be one of the most if not THE most requested civ.

 

[Zaarin]

what do you mean ambiguously gaulish?

It's a little unclear whether the Belgae were Gaulicized Germans or Germanicized Gauls, but they were definitely regarded as distinct from the Gauls, even by Caesar.

From what I call tell, there are several layers to the word "Gallic" (much like the term "Scythian"). There is the broader definition, which includes the Belgae, Aquitanians, Cisalpine Gauls, Pannonian Gauls, and Gaul proper. You can narrow it down a lot until you mainly just include the regions of Gaul in France.

I'm guessing Zaarin was referring to something along these lines.

Yes. Most notably from this list, the Aquitanians weren't even Indo-European but Vasconic (related to the Basques). At its broadest, "Gaul" just meant everyone living in the region the Romans called Gallia, whether they were Celts or not.

 

[Narcisse]

it's the term gaulish / gaul which is ambiguous, not Belgae

Edit : sorry, I come a little later of you answer, you are right on your statement.
Just the term Gaul have a meaning of Celts influenced by Romans, living with Romans too.
Romanized Celts is one of the meaning of Gaul.
So I expect a leader and a design which represent that. (so you can have a Belgae leader which fit with this Gaul meaning, but Ambiorix don't fit, he refuged in Germania, and his poeple were genocided by Romans)

Honestly, Vercingetorix is expected, it's the perfect pick. Fit with the modern claims of Gaulish culture, Arvernes already have long time relations with Romans, and he tried to keep his poeple independant (and we will be in Civ ). And even with his defeat, with some of the Arvernes which take part with Romans, the culture continued to live in the Empire.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I still think Portugal is coming, they seem to give lots of fan favorites and it seems to be one of the most if not THE most requested civ.

If it does come later in the NFP as one of the standalone packs I would argue that this might be the last content for the game. If it doesn't come in NFP I agree there might be a second season.