[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Wielki Hegemon]

I didn't mean to be pedantic here Just a fun fact. Won't gonna argue that general Bulgarians should be considered as Slavs and beeing too pedantic is a dead end. Specially if we consider posible Civilizations for a video game

 

[ElectRonin]

I didn't mean to be pedantic here Just a fun fact. Won't gonna argue that general Bulgarians should be considered as Slavs and beeing too pedantic is a dead end. Specially if we consider posible Civilizations for a video game

Wasn't trying to sound snarky, sorry if it came across as such, just adding some context. Also, since we're on the subject, there's also the theory that early Bulgar ruler didn't call themselves Khan at all. That theory came from one single dubious document that called the ruler Kanasubigi and non-slavic scientists automatically thought it was an early version of the title Khan. However, the title might have a slavic origin, since kanasubigi sounds a lot like the Slavic kanas u bigi (an early version of knyaz ot boga or Ruler by/from God).

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Wasn't trying to sound snarky, sorry if it came across as such, just adding some context. Also, since we're on the subject, there's also the theory that early Bulgar ruler didn't call themselves Khan at all. That theory came from one single dubious document that called the ruler Kanasubigi and non-slavic scientists automatically thought it was an early version of the title Khan. However, the title might have a slavic origin, since kanasubigi sounds a lot like the Slavic kanas u bigi (an early version of knyaz ot boga or Ruler by/from God).

This is another example of why we shouldn't be so historically detailed with Civs in the video game. Especially if it comes to older cultures. Lack of sources, contradictory data, a lot of propaganda in ancient documents, and the fact history is very often used as a culture-forming factor for modern Nations (vide Gauls for French) Great field to work by historians. Generally overwhelming and confusing for game design.

 

[GenyaArikado]

Didn't the Haudenosaunee had a matriarchal system? Like, the faces of politics and war might have been men but the true power came from the women? If so, wouldn't it be wonderful to have them led by a woman, and get rid of the "steppe warrior" cliché we have from them and maybe having something more politic/diplomatic/builder? But I have few to none knowledge about Native Americans so I'm probably utterly wrong here.

Did they have female leaders? I mean native north americans leaders is far from my area of knowledge, but what I gathered from Google makes her sound like the closest thing we could have to a female native leader

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Did they have female leaders? I mean native north americans leaders is far from my area of knowledge, but what I gathered from Google makes her sound like the closest thing we could have to a female native leader

Jigonhsasee was called the "Mother of Nations" and was said to help form the confederacy alongside Hiawatha, and the Great Peacemaker. I see her as a posssibility if they wanted to repeat Hiawatha from Civ 5 but just make it a female leader.

I think the most probable guarantee is going to be Trung Trac for Vietnam. At this point the Trung Sisters have been talked about so much I would be surprised if they don't go for them.

The other possible slot could go to the Iroquois or I hate to say it, Portugal for Maria I. Dihya for the Berbers is also a strong possibility. I just don't see Semiramis for Assyria happening. It would be like Ishtar for Babylon all over again like in Civ 2.

As much as I'd rather not Maria I, I could honestly see them giving her a leader ability which works the opposite of the Maya. The farther away your cities from the capital are the more yields they receive reflecting the idea of them establishing powerful colonies. This is due to Dido getting the ability to move capitals. That way the civ ability can focus on the early days of exploration.

 

[Inawordyes]

Did they have female leaders? I mean native north americans leaders is far from my area of knowledge, but what I gathered from Google makes her sound like the closest thing we could have to a female native leader

The two most immediate examples I can think of are Nanyehi of the Cherokee, who was a Ghigau (Beloved Woman), and Jigonhsasee of the Haudenosaunee, who is on-par with Hiawatha (the Civ5 Iroquois leader) as one of the three co-founders of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

As much as I'd rather not Maria I, I could honestly see them giving her a leader ability which works the opposite of the Maya. The farther away your cities from the capital are the more yields they receive reflecting the idea of them establishing powerful colonies. This is due to Dido getting the ability to move capitals. That way the civ ability can focus on the early days of exploration.

There is already a lot of policy cards, wonders and buildings that give bonuses to cities outside of your starting continent. Plus, I would find it difficult to implement. But could bring something new and refreshing too!

Also, I didn't looked into the thread about Portugal but seeing Byzantium and Gauls (both one can considered European), I really don't think we'll have the Portugueses. At least not in NFP.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

There is already a lot of policy cards, wonders and buildings that give bonuses to cities outside of your starting continent. Plus, I would find it difficult to implement. But could bring something new and refreshing too!

Also, I didn't looked into the thread about Portugal but seeing Byzantium and Gauls (both one can considered European), I really don't think we'll have the Portugueses. At least not in NFP.

I wouldn't be surprised if they do release Portugal and Europe might be a special case because it was easier to pair Gaul with Byzantium having a "Roman" theme while at the same time Portugal could get it's own separate pack.

That's assuming we aren't getting any more content after NFP, because I don't think the game will end without Portugal and then Assyria or Babylon. I'm 50/50 on it.

 

[Inhalaattori]

I think there are couple of reasons why its unlikely that Babylon will be in New Frontier. At least I think its more likely than Portugal will be in game.

One important reason is that we already got science focused Civ in New Frontier (Maya). I think its unlikely they would want to add 2 science focused in New Frontier. Then we also already have Korea with a unique science district.I think its extremely unlikely that they would add 3rd Civ with unique campus. Well I guess Babylon could have unique library. Also there is Sumeria with a Ziggurat improvement. Then there is also Georgia who has focus on building walls, which has earlier been part of Babylon kit.

On the other hand there is more room for a Civ like Portugal. Exploration, seafaring, sea trade, something to do with city states...

 

[Vilvatiktan]

Wait if we get an Iroquis Civ, won't the north side of North America be so crowded with Cree and Canada already there?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

One important reason is that we already got science focused Civ in New Frontier (Maya). I think its unlikely they would want to add 2 science focused in New Frontier. Then we also already have Korea with a unique science district.I think its extremely unlikely that they would add 3rd Civ with unique campus. Well I guess Babylon could have unique library. Also there is Sumeria with a Ziggurat improvement. Then there is also Georgia who has focus on building walls, which has been earlier been part of Babylon kit.

Yeah I've always assumed if Babylon got in they would get a unique library which hasn't been explored yet. Still I think Assyria would have less overlap with Sumeria and could be the other Mesopotamia civ and still get the unique library too.

Wait if we get an Iroquis Civ, won't the north side of North America be so crowded with Cree and Canada already there?

Well not as crowded as Western Europe and the Balkans/Anatolia.

 

[Vilvatiktan]

[QUOTE="Well not as crowded as Western Europe and the Balkans/Anatolia. [/QUOTE]

Yeah the emptiest places in TSL map for now are the whole of Africa, Oceania, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, and Southwestern North America now.
https://tldrmoviereviewsblog.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/civ-6-ethiopia-full-map.jpg

 

[pokiehl]

I'm really pleased to see all the widespread interest expressed here for Hittites especially but the ancient Near East as a whole.

Unfortunately at this point in the NFP, the most we can hope for is one of the above. I think Assyria is the most likely.

I'd love to see Babylon come back with a unique Walls of Babylon improvement that can be built like China's Great Wall.

For Assyria, a library replacement is a no-brainer. It suits Assyria more than Babylon imo.

For Hittites, a Workshop replacement or a Shrine replacement. I'd be thrilled to see a Religion focus for the Hittites; an ability like picking two Pantheons would be awesome and flavorful.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

I think there are couple of reasons why its unlikely that Babylon will be in New Frontier. At least I think its more likely than Portugal will be in game.

One important reason is that we already got science focused Civ in New Frontier (Maya). I think its unlikely they would want to add 2 science focused in New Frontier. Then we also already have Korea with a unique science district.I think its extremely unlikely that they would add 3rd Civ with unique campus. Well I guess Babylon could have unique library. Also there is Sumeria with a Ziggurat improvement. Then there is also Georgia who has focus on building walls, which has earlier been part of Babylon kit.

On the other hand there is more room for a Civ like Portugal. Exploration, seafaring, sea trade, something to do with city states...

We had Scotland and Korea in R&F: two science focused civs. Nothing would hardly prevent them doing so.

And a unique library would work.

I'm not advocating for Babylon per se (as far as I'm concerned, them as a city-State is perfect) but Babylon could still be a sure civ.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'd love to see Babylon come back with a unique Walls of Babylon improvement that can be built like China's Great Wall.

Though I like this idea better than it replacing the city walls, I'm not sure how different it would be from China's Great Wall.

To me Walls of Babylon sounds like a good civ ability rather than an unique infrastructure. Maybe you start off the game with "walls" and ranged strikes in your cities and when you get to Ancient walls they have the strength of Medieval and so forth.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Though I like this idea better than it replacing the city walls, I'm not sure how different it would be from China's Great Wall.

To me Walls of Babylon sounds like a good civ ability rather than an unique infrastructure. Maybe you start off the game with "walls" and ranged strikes in your cities and when you get to Ancient walls they have the strength of Medieval and so forth.

Something ala Trajan, but instead of each city beginning with a Monument, they begin with Walls. Question is: would it also unlock the COnstruction tech?

 

[Vilvatiktan]

Byzantium First Look

 

[VermelhoRed]

Why Cuba and not Argentina?

Because of the cultural impact, especially musical, and because of the Revolution.

I'd rather not have Fidel in Civilization. The people in the first world who haven't experienced a military dictatorship seems confused enough about his awfulness as it is, no need to glorify him.

I am not from the first world, and don't you dare compare his dictatorship to the more common right-wing military dictatorships that have plagued my continent. Regardless of your opinions on his "awfulness" though, he turned that small island into a completely unique country, with great health and education indicators despite its overall poverty, while also making one of the best counter-spying agencies in the world, which has stopped countless assassinations terrorist attempts from the world's biggest superpower. That's not only a ton of personality but also many interesting gameplay possibilities.

 

[Vilvatiktan]

Byzantium First Look First Impression:
- This Civ music is a 100/10
- That is a really powerful religious Civ, their strategy basically will just be snowballing and trampling any other adherents or non-adherents civs of their religion. This will be fun to see them against the Ottomans in the TSL map
- Two UU, naval and cavalry, dang it!!
-A UD with free units, yep, I'm just gonna stay away from this civ like what I do to Monty. They literally have fun killing others

 

[Zaarin]

don't you dare compare his dictatorship to the more common right-wing military dictatorships that have plagued my continent.

I will dare. A mass murderer is a mass murderer, regardless of what ideology motivates them.

Regardless of your opinions on his "awfulness" though, he turned that small island into a completely unique country

Well, that made all his depredations worth it, I'm sure.