[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[clapyourhands]

Kublai wearing yellow doesn't guarantee he leads both China and Mongolia. It means he's in the game, leading Mongolia.

If he leads both though, I would love to see two different character models à la Eleanor.

Looks like another leak confirmed. Welcome to the Civ Franchise, Vietnam.

I would consider different character models a necessity for clarity. The leader is the most eye-catching part of the UI banner, the diplomacy screens, the first meeting, et cetera. It would be very confusing to have identical character models for players with different unique abilities, so I think Firaxis would make the two Kublai's distinguishable even if it isn't as drastic as Eleanor.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Wasn't Maria the Mad Pedro's grandmother? If so, it's the same degree of relationship as between Genghis and Kublai.

I just checked, Maria was Pedro II's great-grandmother, so not as close as Genghis and Kublai.

 

[6uho Koe]

Overall, taking all the portraits of Kublai, Marco Polo's account, and the typical style of Mongolian clothing into consideration, the surprising things about this Kublai are 1.doesn't have a hat (imagine not having any headwear on the windy steppe), 2.not really a round face (Marco Polo specifically mentioned that the Khan is a chunky man with a round face).
Edit: Also, 3. Mongolians have a distinct hair style as well, and this doesn't look like it.

Besides those points, he is definitely Kublai - having Mongolian clothing, having the same beard as Kublai, and, you know, Vietnamese rulers don't look like that.

I would say using the same head model of Genghis (which does have a round face) for Kublai's head should be adequate - Kublai is Genghis' grandson after all, why would their appearances look so much different?
(I think this is also the first time in civ we have two leaders that are close relatives.)

This Kublai (if it is really him) looks kinda of like Qin from civ 4. I remember when the game came out, the leader model was mixed up with Kublai Khan. I hope the developers did not intend this to be a subtle reference to that mix up (unless if this model is just him leading China). He does look weird without head gear, just as it was strange Qin from civ 4 lacked one as well. At least the Chinese version had him look a little closer to civ 6 Qin.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

This Kublai (if it is really him) looks kinda of like Qin from civ 4. I remember when the game came out, the leader model was mixed up with Kublai Khan. I hope the developers did not intend this to be a subtle reference to that mix up (unless if this model is just him leading China). He does look weird without head gear, just as it was strange Qin from civ 4 lacked one as well. At least the Chinese version had him look a little closer to civ 6 Qin.


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Mate, I'm pretty sure that is Qin Shi Huang from Civ 4. Wait... Oh, snap, read it wrong again, bloody hell!! Apologies, I didn't realize what you meant. Oops...

 

[Zaarin]

Kublai wearing yellow doesn't guarantee he leads both China and Mongolia. It means he's in the game, leading Mongolia.

Welcome to CivFanatics, where reckless speculation based on too little information is just kind of what we do.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Welcome to CivFanatics, where reckless speculation based on too little information is just kind of what we do.

I'm trying to make a retortion to this, but I can only realize you're right...

 

[Lord Lakely]

Welcome to CivFanatics, where reckless speculation based on too little information is just kind of what we do.

So speaks the man who joined CivFanatics 8 years after I did.

 

[blackbutterfly]

Kublai wearing yellow doesn't guarantee he leads both China and Mongolia.

I think one of the leaders is going to lead two civilizations. I had been speculating/hoping for King James of Scotland and England, but if Firaxis don't do it I'm sure one of the league of Civ VI modders will pick it up surely.

 

[notNamed]

Changing the basic color of the robe to match the 'culture' of each Civ would be a really neat touch. Kudos to the art team at Firaxis IF that's what they are doing.

I wouldn't know about that.
The part that will be most visible when playing is his head and they gave him a head full of hair, which no Mongolian of the time would have. So I kinda doubt they'd change something that important/visible (hairstyles were literally a matter of life and death in this part of the world) and then have the hues of his clothing change due to additional historic considerations.

 

[8housesofelixir]

The part that will be most visible when playing is his head and they gave him a head full of hair, which no Mongolian of the time would have.

Yeah, the Mongolians at his time usually got their hair shoved. This Kublai looks like having a hairstyle of 19th century British/New England country gentleman. Maybe he really needs a headwear to cover that...

And in terms of the clothing color, traditional Mongol clothing commonly uses yellow as well.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

As for the Vietnamese leader, after looking at Kublai, my expectation that it would be Tran Nhan Tong just goes through the roof. It is too good of a pairing to let it go.

Also, since I think if Vietnam is led by a medieval emperor, it most likely won't have 2 UUs, I hope Kublai Khan comes with his own.

 

[Guynemer]

So speaks the man who joined CivFanatics 8 years after I did.

Whippersnapper.

Get off my lawn.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Also, since I think if Vietnam is led by a medieval emperor, it most likely won't have 2 UUs, I hope Kublai Khan comes with his own.

If Kublai having his own UU, it will probably be the Huihui Pao (the Persian-made Trebuchet he employed in the Siege of Xiangyang).

Huihui Pao is one of the most famous siege weapons in Chinese history because the sheer power of it - the Xiangyang ones easily breached the 3m thick walls of Xiangyang, which scared the city to surrender.

 

[Jeppetto]

The look being different across civs he leads might not be tied to robes only, he might be bald with hat as Mongol leader. Though it's true with Eleanor they in exchange didn't change her clothing, just hair.

 

[8housesofelixir]

The look being different across civs he leads might not be tied to robes only, he might be bald with hat as Mongol leader.

Interesting, that's also a possibility. I don't think Kublai changed his clothing when wearing the hat of "Chinese Emperor" historically, but in the game you needs something to differentiate that. His clothing in the twitter reveal looks like can fit both role though.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Kublai and Genghis have both been in civ IV as well I believe.

And I believe Kristina was the daughter of Gustavus Adolphus in civ V, but those were in different games of course. Gustavus Adolphus is a great general in civ VI though.

Not to mention Elizabeth I is a half-sister to Isabella's granddaughter (Bloody Mary). It doesn't really count but I find it interesting nonetheless.

As for the Vietnamese leader, after looking at Kublai, my expectation that it would be Tran Nhan Tong just goes through the roof. It is too good of a pairing to let it go.

Also, since I think if Vietnam is led by a medieval emperor, it most likely won't have 2 UUs, I hope Kublai Khan comes with his own.

A unique naval unit that damages itself every turn.

If Kublai having his own UU, it will probably be the Huihui Pao (the Persian-made Trebuchet he employed in the Siege of Xiangyang).

Huihui Pao is one of the most famous siege weapons in Chinese history because the sheer power of it - the Xiangyang ones easily breached the 3m thick walls of Xiangyang, which scared the city to surrender.

Kind of funny considering there's a thread on Ideas and Suggestions wanting an actual universal Trebuchet unit.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Kind of funny considering there's a thread on Ideas and Suggestions wanting an actual universal Trebuchet unit.

If the tech progression in Civ VI can be 2x slower, then another tech level of siege units will be useful.

Or it will be like, you upgraded your Catapult into a Trebuchet in Medieval Era, and 20 turns later you unlocked the Bombard.

 

[iRule]

Should I give up just yet? Feels so strange not to have Portugal in... since Civ IV I've grown used to eagerly waiting for the last EP so I can play with Portugal... I know I'm biased (i.e. I'm Portuguese), but heck, I do think that Portugal was one of the coolest civs, gameplay-wise, in both Civ IV and Civ V, so there's also that.

Anyway, while I got your attention, what do you guys think about Maria II? I have no idea why they went for something as non-consequential as Maria I (in Civ V), when Maria II:

• Was born in Rio de Janeiro, thus being a pretty unique civ leader at that (i.e. born "abroad" yet rules another country - not unlike Catherine).
  
  
• Was Pedro II's (Brazil's Pedro) sister - now that's interesting. A bonafide geopolitical soap opera in Civ.
  
  
• She's probably the/one of the most important Portuguese leaders of the last 200 years, her name being associated with the first Portuguese public healthcare and education systems, telegraph lines, national railroads, etc., in Portugal (and half of modern Lisbon owes its existence to her);
  
  
• Her reign marks the first real step towards an European-centric Portugal , and (ever since then) greater political alignment with France (that persists to this day in the form of the EU), moving away from Portugal's traditional alliance with the UK.
  
  
• By all accounts, she was a badass, independent woman (for the time), and not a pushover like Maria I. Did you guys know that in 1836 she went against everyone and actually banned bullfighting in Portugal for a while (unfortunately she was pressured to put an end to the ban in the end?) because it was a "bloodlusting, disgusting, barbarian tradition that had no place in a civilised society"? That's pretty metal for 19th century Portugal.
  

Anyway, that's all from me - don't play till too late!

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I still think Portugal has the best chance to be the civ in March, unless we get another Native American civ.

Anyway I don't know much about Maria II to offer any bonuses on what her gameplay might be. I'd be interested to find out.

My personal preference would be Joao II or Manuel I for an exploration focused Portugal. However I could also see Maria I in game being like the opposite of Lady Six Sky. Cities farther away from the capital end up getting more yields, sort of how the colony of Brazil ended up becoming the main center of power of the kingdom, and would still encourage exploration and settling farther away (create colonies).

 

[InsidiousMage]

Given that Europe was already represented by Gaul and Byzantium I think it is highly unlikely. A Civ from from the Pacific islands strikes me as most likely given the new Civs are moving from west to east starting from the Americas.