[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[AntSou]

I didn't mean Portugal using GS mechanics. I mean Portugal DLC would contain two things: a new disaster for everyone with GS plus Portugal civ using eg. R&F mechanics.

That's not the "hard to believe" part in your comment, but the part where you suggest they'd give that for free.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

That's not the "hard to believe" part in your comment, but the part where you suggest they'd give that for free.

I mean I guess technically we did get the Aztecs for free. On the other hand we payed for a Vikings Scenario when we already had Norway in the game.

 

[AntSou]

I mean I guess technically we did get the Aztecs for free. On the other hand we payed for a Vikings Scenario when we already had Norway in the game.

If they had plans for a free Civ they would have used it to encourage people to buy the New Frontier Pass, not the personas.

A single persona would have made sense as a "thank you gift". But not an entirely new Civ.
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Also, time to manically refresh the store page. Or is it one hour from now?

 

[Cywil]

That's not the "hard to believe" part in your comment, but the part where you suggest they'd give that for free.

If they had plans for a free Civ they would have used it to encourage people to buy the New Frontier Pass, not the personas.

You don't understand me still. Any Portugal DLC would be "for free" as long as you buy R&F or/and GS - and (believe me or not) many players still are before this decision

 

[SMcM]

A single persona would have made sense as a "thank you gift". But not an entirely new Civ.

Yes I don't see them handing out a civilization for free.

You don't understand me still. Any Portugal DLC would be "for free" as long as you buy R&F or/and GS - and (believe me or not) many players still are before this decision

And I don't really understand what you mean here, 'players are before this decision', I think this is poorly phrased and needs clarification. Players are what before what decision? Players have already bought expansions?

 

[AntSou]

And I don't really understand what you mean here, 'players are before this decision', I think this is poorly phrased and needs clarification. Players are what before what decision? Players have already bought expansions?

He means many players still are willing to buy GS. If Portugal were given for free, but a GS dependent DLC, those people would be encouraged to buy GS. That's his reasoning.
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I disagree. The greatest encouragement to people who haven't bought GS yet is simply a bigger discount.

A player who hasn't bought GS has 8 new civs to play with, yet they chose not to buy it. I don't think making it 9 Civs instead of 8 would change their minds.

 

[Cywil]

And I don't really understand what you mean here, 'players are before this decision', I think this is poorly phrased and needs clarification. Players are what before what decision? Players have already bought expansions?

Sorry for my poor English. I mean there are many Vanilla Civ6 players who still have to decide to buy R&F/GS or not to buy them. IMHO for Firaxis it would be more profitable to give "for free" the final post-NFP DLC which would require both expansions (each for $8 as a deal) than to sell for $4 the final post-NFP DLC which would require only Vanilla game. Portugal and Earthquakes are in high demand. Such a DLC - which would require both expansions (R&F for Portugal civ and GS for Earthquakes) - could be an additional seller for both expansions I guess.

The greatest encouragement to people who haven't bought GS yet is simply a bigger discount.

I agree. A bigger discount works better. Anyway other things work too. Even the NFP itself works for R&F/GS as I've described - 4 of 6 Packs require R&F or GS or both of them - just to increase R&F/GS sales (along with discounts of course).

 

[sweetbrown89]

I feel if we ever got an Apache civ it would fill like a missed opportunity not to have Geronimo as the leader.

That being said I think the next civ will be returning considering the first wave of DLC only had 3 new civs (Australia, Macedon, and Nubia), and we just got our third new one with Vietnam. Not to mention to keep the cycle going we need another female leader.
I think Portugal and Iroquois are the best options with well Portugal being at a 90% chance. Iroquois 9%. 1% chance of other.

I guess there is always the possibility of Sayyida al Hurra leading Morocco.

Well, so far, it’s always been 4 new Civs and 3 new female Leaders for a full expansion (since it’s marketed as one whole thing just released over the covid timeline, I’m assuming it’s an expansion since the modes are typical of an expansion.)

Rise & Fall
- Cree, Georgia, Scotland, Mapuche
- Seondeok, Wilhelmina, Tamar

Gathering Storm
- Hungary, Mäori, Canada, Phoenicia
- Kristina, Dido, Eleanor

New Frontier
- Gran Colombia, Gaul, Vietnam, ???
- Lady Six Sky, Bà Triệu, ???

Just going by projected pattern, of course

 

[SMcM]

Well I suppose technically Cywil is correct, but I feel like if anything a 'free' civ would be tied to purchasing the NFP, not years old expansions.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Well, so far, it’s always been 4 new Civs and 3 new female Leaders for a full expansion (since it’s marketed as one whole thing just released over the covid timeline, I’m assuming it’s an expansion since the modes are typical of an expansion.)

Rise & Fall
- Cree, Georgia, Scotland, Mapuche
- Seondeok, Wilhelmina, Tamar

Gathering Storm
- Hungary, Mäori, Canada, Phoenicia
- Kristina, Dido, Eleanor

New Frontier
- Gran Colombia, Gaul, Vietnam, ???
- Lady Six Sky, Bà Triệu, ???

Just going by projected pattern, of course

Well they are also sold as individual DLC packs too.

And the first wave of individual DLC we got Aztecs, Poland, Persia, Khmer, Indonesia as returning and Australia, Macedon, Nubia as new.

Of course this is obviously new territory so at this point what we can agree on is it's probably a female leader. Whether or not it follows the expansion theory or individual DLC theory I'm not sure.

Of course we could always get Molly Brant for the Mohawks and I guess that would fill our quota of being "new" but as a rebranded Iroquois civ.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Well they are also sold as individual DLC packs too.

And the first wave of individual DLC we got Aztecs, Poland, Persia, Khmer, Indonesia as returning and Australia, Macedon, Nubia as new.

Of course this is obviously new territory so at this point what we can agree on is it's probably a female leader. Whether or not it follows the expansion theory or individual DLC theory I'm not sure.

Of course we could always get Molly Brant for the Mohawks and I guess that would fill our quota of being "new" but as a rebranded Iroquois civ.

And if the new leader is male...? What then?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

And if the new leader is male...? What then?

Firaxis abandons their quota and I give up on trying to predict anything for the future.
I mean I got Simon Bolivar leading Gran Colombia right, not to mention Lady Six Sky appearing and Kublai Khan leading both China and Mongolia.

 

[bbbt]

They seem very loathe to add leaders as 'free' additions. I think they are the main drivers to get people to buy a DLC (see the annoyed reaction to the leaderless Viking DLC). They'll likely stick with scenarios/game modes and maps for free.

I'd guess the game, like 5, will get a 'complete' (platinum?) edition with increasingly significant sales discounts that will mean a number of players pick it up for cheap.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Firaxis abandons their quota and I give up on trying to predict anything for the future.
I mean I got Simon Bolivar leading Gran Colombia right, not to mention Lady Six Sky appearing and Kublai Khan leading both China and Mongolia.

I’m not a betting man, but this call still seems to be a 50/50 coin toss to me.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I’m not a betting man, but this call still seems to be a 50/50 coin toss to me.

I wouldn't mind. If it is Portugal I'd rather not see Maria again.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

I gotta agree, Firaxis is welcome to prove us wrong whenever, but going by the quota that they established and have kept with so far, it seems quite likely that the next civ will be be a new one led by a female leader. I don't doubt that they could consider Haudenosaunee / Mohawk as a new civ like Phoenicia and Maori if they do decide to get Iroquois in (even if it makes it a little weird to exclude Portugal, Assyria, Morocco, etc.).

Out of curiosity, I've seen some people prefer Molly Brant to Jigonhsasee for the Iroquois and was wondering why that is? I'm just starting to look into Molly so it sounds like she was influential but (while I continue to find out more) I would like to know why there's a preference for her over one of the founders. No complaints from me of course, the more leader choices we have the better.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Out of curiosity, I've seen some people prefer Molly Brant to Jigonhsasee for the Iroquois and was wondering why that is? I'm just starting to look into Molly so it sounds like she was influential but (while I continue to find out more) I would like to know why there's a preference for her over one of the founders. No complaints from me of course, the more leader choices we have the better.

I only mentioned Molly Brant as a possible female leader if the civ happened to be specifically called the Mohawk, considering no one is sure which tribe Jigonhsasee was from. Even then I don't think the Mohawk was one of the possible options.

Jigonhsasee would be a much better female pick if the civ would be called the Iroquois, considering she was one of the founders of the confederacy.

 

[Zaarin]

Out of curiosity, I've seen some people prefer Molly Brant to Jigonhsasee for the Iroquois and was wondering why that is? I'm just starting to look into Molly so it sounds like she was influential but (while I continue to find out more) I would like to know why there's a preference for her over one of the founders. No complaints from me of course, the more leader choices we have the better.

Well, there is definitive historical evidence for her existence, for one thing. She was also an influential person in her own right. All that being said, I like her brother better. Joseph Brant was probably one of if not the most powerful Native Americans of the post-Columbian era, and I'd love to see him featured at some point.

All that being said, I think there's a 98% chance the final civ is Portugal. I'm not convinced the leader is female, however. Firaxis has to know that Maria I was not well-received, and while Maria II seems to have been a popular monarch during her brief reign she lived a good two centuries after Portugal's heyday as a world power. In fact, by the time Maria II was queen Portugal was probably less important on the world stage than her former colony. So I wouldn't rule out that Portugal's leader is an Age of Exploration era king.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

All that being said, I think there's a 98% chance the final civ is Portugal. I'm not convinced the leader is female, however. Firaxis has to know that Maria I was not well-received, and while Maria II seems to have been a popular monarch during her brief reign she lived a good two centuries after Portugal's heyday as a world power. In fact, by the time Maria II was queen Portugal was probably less important on the world stage than her former colony. So I wouldn't rule out that Portugal's leader is an Age of Exploration era king.

Though I agree that an Age of Exploration Era king makes sense, looking at it from a design perspective, I also think that might make Maria more likely.

As far as the civ ability goes it's quite clear that it would most likely be focused around it's heyday from the Age of Exploration. In order to differentiate the civ ability and leader I'm sure either Maria would fit with the theme of making cities on other continents stronger than cities on their home continent maybe.

At least I see it similar to Seondeok where all the civ abilities and uniques revolve around the Joseon Dynasty whereas she ruled from the earlier Silla Kingdom, which honestly the Joseon period is what Korea is known for at least in most historical games.

 

[DeepSoul]

Not Ethiopia, though, lol. All he does is move his scepter thing. Robespierre, Burma, Iceland, and Siam are the other ones that are voiced.

His "scepter thing" moves more when he's talking to female leaders.