[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[AntSou]

while Maria II seems to have been a popular monarch during her brief reign she lived a good two centuries after Portugal's heyday as a world power. In fact, by the time Maria II was queen Portugal was probably less important on the world stage than her former colony. So I wouldn't rule out that Portugal's leader is an Age of Exploration era king.

I'm not convinced of this argument. Wilhelmina is in the game as leader of the Netherlands. England under Eleanor is hardly its heyday.

If there's a viable female leader, there's a good chance they'll use it. I think the best argument against Maria II is that she might be visually too close to Victoria (although I guess that could also be an argument in favour. Reused idle animations and all that.)

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And I'm still at 50/50 regarding the final Civ, assuming they don't drop something completely unexpected. I haven't seen enough evidence to make me confident of either.

 

[anonxanemone]

If there's a viable female leader, there's a good chance they'll use it. I think the best argument against Maria II is that she might be visually too close to Victoria (although I guess that could also be an argument in favour. Reused idle animations and all that.)

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Wow, I guess royalty weren't into making unique fashion statements. I believe the young'uns would call them "basic b-word".

In all seriousness, I'd prefer a distinct look from all the leaders. Do we already have leaders that have similar fashion looks?

 

[Potworny]

Wow, I guess royalty weren't into making unique fashion statements. I believe the young'uns would call them "basic b-word".

Hey, try saying that again after you've birthed 11 children. :v

I think I could forgive them doing Maria I this one last time, considering the "interesting leaders" agenda and all that. And I suppose she could lead Brazil too. I don't know. Maybe I'm in the acceptance stage already.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I think I could forgive them doing Maria I this one last time, considering the "interesting leaders" agenda and all that. And I suppose she could lead Brazil too. I don't know. Maybe I'm in the acceptance stage already.

You're not the only one.

 

[pokiehl]

And I suppose she could lead Brazil too.

Please no.

 

[Potworny]

Whatever the last civ is, and whenever it comes I really hope they finish it of with a bang in terms of gameplay uniqueness, like they did with Venice in Civ V. Obviously, the bar would be set much higher this time around if they wanted to try that again. RTS/FPS hybrid Iroquis?

 

[raen]

You're not the only one.

Ditto. I also believe is the only chance, maintaining the male/female quotes. Only if they go further and get a Consort Queen.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Ditto. I also believe is the only chance, maintaining the male/female quotes. Only if they go further and get a Consort Queen.

Well other possible returning civs still have female leader options: Jigonhsasee for the Iroquois and Sayidda al Hurra for Morocco.

Of course Portugal's female leaders are more recognizable, at least to those that have played Civ 5, but then again so many were surprised with Ba Trieu for Vietnam. After Trung Trac was revealed as a Great General everybody was 100% on board they would be lead by a male.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Well, there is definitive historical evidence for her existence, for one thing. She was also an influential person in her own right. All that being said, I like her brother better. Joseph Brant was probably one of if not the most powerful Native Americans of the post-Columbian era, and I'd love to see him featured at some point.

All that being said, I think there's a 98% chance the final civ is Portugal. I'm not convinced the leader is female, however. Firaxis has to know that Maria I was not well-received, and while Maria II seems to have been a popular monarch during her brief reign she lived a good two centuries after Portugal's heyday as a world power. In fact, by the time Maria II was queen Portugal was probably less important on the world stage than her former colony. So I wouldn't rule out that Portugal's leader is an Age of Exploration era king.

As someone said, everybody would have expected a Dutch Golden Age leader (i.e. William of Oranje) as a leader for the Netherlands, and we rather had Wilehlmina, a queen which is best known for what she did when her country was invaded (not really the heyday of the Netherlands). And yet everybody accepted it... except her really awful LUA (Radio Oranje... why, Firaxis, why?). But it shows that people still think of the Netherlands as only a Dutch Golden Age civ, because every rework for Wilhelmina I see is based around trade... and Wilhelmina is not know for her trade ability historically.

All that to say that having a Portugal with a Civ UNique Ability around the Age of Exploration with a leader from another era can be something. That's the benefit of having separates CUA and LUA. We can combine some, and people tend to forget it (which is waaay better than Civ V's Napeoleon with Ancien Régime...).

That's why Maria II could be a good leader, even if I don't know enough about her.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

As someone said, everybody would have expected a Dutch Golden Age leader (i.e. William of Oranje) as a leader for the Netherlands, and we rather had Wilehlmina, a queen which is best known for what she did when her country was invaded (not really the heyday of the Netherlands). And yet everybody accepted it... except her really awful LUA (Radio Oranje... why, Firaxis, why?). But it shows that people still think of the Netherlands as only a Dutch Golden Age civ, because every rework for Wilhelmina I see is based around trade... and Wilhelmina is not know for her trade ability historically.

Probably considering her ability is involved around sending trade routes.

I think considering trade routes were an early form of communication between cities, and the radio is used for communication obviously, is why they took that approach. Plus it makes them a trading civ like they're supposed to be historically.

Though I agree with you about Portugal getting either Maria I or Maria II as leader. If the Civ unique ability is based around exploration/ establishing colonies and outposts, which was already past their time, that would be the easiest thing to do.

 

[Leucarum]

Given that we already had a very trade oriented leader in Kublai Khan - maybe the next/final leader is less likely to be a trader...

 

[8housesofelixir]

Given that we already had a very trade oriented leader in Kublai Khan - maybe the next/final leader is less likely to be a trader...

Since Kublai doesn't have any unique/cheap trade infrastructure, doesn't get any extra trade route capacity, and doesn't receive any direct bonus on trade routes, I personally refrain to label him as a "trade oriented" leader.

He doesn't even have a half-priced CH, and the "Eureka per Civ" means you only need a handful of Traders to gain the full effect - for instance, you only need 7 Traders on a Standard map - instead of mass printing Traders.

Kublai is as a trader as Menelik II, but nowhere near Egypt, Cree, or Spain, not to say Phoenicia and Mali.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Since Kublai doesn't have any unique/cheap trade infrastructure, doesn't get any extra trade route capacity, and doesn't receive any direct bonus on trade routes, I personally refrain to label him as a "trade oriented" leader.

He doesn't even have a half-priced CH, and the "Eureka per Civ" means you only need a handful of Traders to gain the full effect - for instance, you only need 7 Traders on a Standard map - instead of mass printing Traders.

Kublai is as a trader as Menelik II, but nowhere near Egypt, Cree, or Spain, not to say Phoenicia and Mali.

All of which, as I search through the steaming pile for the Pony that must be under there somewhere, means there is still a gaping hole to be filled by a Sogdian or Kushan Civ firmly centered on Overland Long-Distance Trade and its benefits in Gold, Diplomacy, and easy spread of Religion.

Sigh. Not until Civ VII, I'm afraid.

 

[8housesofelixir]

All of which, as I search through the steaming pile for the Pony that must be under there somewhere, means there is still a gaping hole to be filled by a Sogdian or Kushan Civ firmly centered on Overland Long-Distance Trade and its benefits in Gold, Diplomacy, and easy spread of Religion.

Sigh. Not until Civ VII, I'm afraid.

I'm trying to promote a Sogdian culture in Humankind official discord, hope it works...

 

[Leucarum]

I personally refrain to label him as a "trade oriented" leader.

Marketed as a trade oriented leader then... Albeit unsuccessfully.

That said, previous expansions have had multiple traders before (like Mali/Phonecia). So maybe this isn't much of a barrier.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I'm trying to promote a Sogdian culture in Humankind official discord, hope it works...

i gave up on any chance of historically important but socially unknown cultures in humankind a long time ago.

Ever since they decided that half the game’s culture cast would be European, even at the cost of shoehorning in Poland over more key cultures from the East or Africa, or choosing to pick ‘Norsemen’, ‘Teutons’ and ‘Franks’ as all militarily focused northwest European civs at the cost of ignoring the Mississippians, Muisca, Majapahit, Chola, Swahili, Zimbabwe, etc., I stopped expecting much from their culture picks. No Maori, Abyssinia, Meiji Japan or Qing China in Industrial/Modern was tough too. Not to mention the god-awful blob Celts

I wouldnt even be opposed to having that many european civ’s eventually through DLC but it happened at the cost of SO many underrepresented but historically importnat empires in the rest of the world which they could’ve put in but didn’t bcs they wanted European civs

Firaxis abandons their quota and I give up on trying to predict anything for the future.
I mean I got Simon Bolivar leading Gran Colombia right, not to mention Lady Six Sky appearing and Kublai Khan leading both China and Mongolia.

I got Bolivar, Lady Six Sky, Menelik and Ethiopia, Kublai Khan leading China/Mongolia, Vietnam (not Ba Trieu though), Byzantines (somewhat disappointingly).

Did not get gauls, and expected Assyria over Babylon, but I was generally close?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I got Bolivar, Lady Six Sky, Menelik and Ethiopia, Kublai Khan leading China/Mongolia, Vietnam (not Ba Trieu though), Byzantines (somewhat disappointingly).

Did not get gauls, and expected Assyria over Babylon, but I was generally close?

That's a 6/9 ratio, which translates to 66% correct predictions.

 

[Jeppetto]

I wouldn't say I mind it specifically, but I too was surprised by the decent Europe representation in Humankind early when the whole modern stage is 50 Shades of Europe. There is something strange about game containing both English and British, or Franks and French. I'd say European countries are better fit for the modern stage and so they could've went with something different early, or switch between, like having English without British, and French without Franks etc. We may hope they need to sell the hell out of base game and exppacks will contain all manner of interesting stuff.

Also the latest introduced era lacks Merchants, they made Siamese Builders instead when I thought they'd go with Merchants on the last civ My OCD suffers.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Ever since they decided that half the game’s culture cast would be European, even at the cost of shoehorning in Poland over more key cultures from the East or Africa, or choosing to pick ‘Norsemen’, ‘Teutons’ and ‘Franks’ as all militarily focused northwest European civs at the cost of ignoring the Mississippians, Muisca, Majapahit, Chola, Swahili, Zimbabwe, etc., I stopped expecting much from their culture picks. No Maori, Abyssinia, Meiji Japan or Qing China in Industrial/Modern was tough too. Not to mention the god-awful blob Celts

Blobs in these types of games just really make me grind my teeth. I'd argue that Norsemen are a worse blob than the Celts. Like seriously, couldn't you just choose the Danish?! Also: WHAT ON EARTH IS PERSIA DOING IN THE INDUSTRIAL ERA??!! They belong in the Early Modern Era, for goodness' sake, not the Industrial Era. I'm talking about the era of Nader Shah and Abbas I.

Also the latest introduced era lacks Merchants, they made Siamese Builders instead when I thought they'd go with Merchants on the last civ My OCD suffers.

Even Culture would have been a better focus for Siam than Building.

 

[Zaarin]

Not to mention the god-awful blob Celts

The Celts are a blob in the context of Civilization, but I wouldn't call them a blob in the context of Humankind, which focuses on cultures rather than civilizations.