[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Wielki Hegemon]

I agree somewhat, however, Chinguetti was introduced only 4 months ago. It wouldn't be very efficient to just replace a City-State you just introduced.

It still means something but could mean nothing as well I think sometimes we are trying to find a pattern that might not exist.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

It still means something but could mean nothing as well I think sometimes we are trying to find a pattern that might not exist.

I am trying to find no pattern, sir. I am just stating that it would be inconvenient to introduce a City-State and then replace it so soon.

 

[Xandinho]

I don't agree with the argument "I doubt x will happen, because y". In fact, everything is possible as long Firaxis devs will decide it's a good idea and none CS included in the game doesn't mean that this Civ cannot appear later. Babylon was added as CS in R&F expansion and later appear in NFP as a Civ.

I haven't seen them replace newly included city-states with civilizations until now. Can it happen? yes, but I don't think it's likely. Babylon was almost 3 years in the game before it became civilization.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

I haven't seen them replace newly included city-states with civilizations until now. Can it happen? yes, but I don't think it's likely. Babylon was almost 3 years in the game before it became civilization.

I haven't seen them developing the game after the second expansion until NFP

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Actually, I think we have exactly the same number, since we got Kongo and Nubia but cut Morocco and Carthage...

But what I'm pointing out is that even if we were trying to cover very large empires or peoples just to show off some of the diversity on the continent, Africa still has a lot of untapped potential (and sorry, but Nubia and Kongo aren't particularly ambitious additions...I would like at least one odd choice in the mix if we can get things like Georgia and the Mapuche on other continents...).

I don't necessarily count Carthage, but all things considered we got Phoenicia anyways adding to the Middle East. Besides my point still kind of stands that we're missing something from North Africa, whether it's Morocco returning or Berbers/Numidia making an appearance.

Though with Saladin having his capital in Cairo it's still even.

I doubt that Berbers would happen, Chinguetti is one of the last city-states added. Morocco does stand a chance, however.

I wasn't sure if Chinguetti would be a part of a Berber civ or not. Though that's the same reasoning why I doubt we'll see Siam return even in a second pass because they just added Ayutthaya. If that's the case then Fez would still need to be replaced.

 

[BD123]

I wasn't sure if Chinguetti would be a part of a Berber civ or not. Though that's the same reasoning why I doubt we'll see Siam return even in a second pass because they just added Ayutthaya. If that's the case then Fez would still need to be replaced.

But would Chinguetti be required for a Berber city list? I mean Granada is a pretty important place for Spain but they took it off their city-list, so I can maybe see a Berber civ without Chinguetti - although I also don't know much about Chinguetti to begin with. It's not like Fez or Ayutthaya being must-haves for their respective civ city-lists from what I can tell.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

But would Chinguetti be required for a Berber city list? I mean Granada is a pretty important place for Spain but they took it off their city-list, so I can maybe see a Berber civ without Chinguetti - although I also don't know much about Chinguetti to begin with.

I'm not too sure either. Of course I also thought Assyria would return over Babylon because I thought they would need Akkad too, considering it was on it's city list the past 5 games.

From what I've seen it was founded in the Medieval Era as a trading town, though after the area was influenced by Islam. So it seems inconclusive to me. Though if they focus the civ around the region of Numidia/Morocco probably not.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I'm not too sure either. Of course I also thought Assyria would return over Babylon because I thought they would need Akkad too, considering it was on it's city list the past 5 games.

From what I've seen it was founded in the Medieval Era as a trading town, though after the area was influenced by Islam. So it seems inconclusive to me. Though if they focus the civ around the region of Numidia/Morocco probably not.

Yes, detractors of a Berber civ based on Chinguetti are discounting the possibility of it being wholly or at least substantially based in Numidia.

Chinguetii could also just as easily be representing the Almoravids, not necessarily the Berbers.

 

[The Kingmaker]

The Kings and Generals channel just barely posted this. It’s good to see someone finally giving the Kushans a little love. For being such a major and influential empire in their heyday, they don’t get a lot of screen time in the modern era.

On the off-chance that we do get a Final Frontier pass, who wants to meme in a fascinating central Asian empire?

 

[8housesofelixir]

On the off-chance that we do get a Final Frontier pass, who wants to meme in a fascinating central Asian empire?

I for one would meme in the Sogdians.

 

[Kimiimaro]

I, for one, want to meme in Armenia led by Tigranes the Great, but that's just my infatuation with the Duduk

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Speaking of Ireland I do think that can be a happy medium between Scotland and Gaul as the Celtic representation for Civ 7.

Yeah, I'd rather they keep out Scotland/Gaul and put in Ireland. Give the open slot to a Native American civ or something.

As long as I'm a personal fan of Irish culture, I prefer Scotland and Gauls with their fun and unique gameplays over a yet-another-religious-civ. I would accept them only if they really have a unique gameplay making them interesting. Which made us move unto the most important point:

I'D TAKE AN OBSCURE OR RIDICULOUS OR "UNWORTHY" CIV LIKE INUITS OR SAN MARINO IF THEY HAVE INTERESTING AND ENGAGING GAMEPLAYS OVER "BIG NAMES" LIKE AUSTRIA OR ITALY IF THEY HAVE BORING GAMEPLAYS

And while there is some hit-and-miss in the NFP (looking at you, Simon), I think that the dev team at least made an effort to create interesting, engaging and fun civs, because, even if I personally hate conquering civs and I think we already have enough religious civs, I think both Ethiopia and Byzantium showed signs that the devs tried something new over simple "X% bonuses"

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

As long as I'm a personal fan of Irish culture, I prefer Scotland and Gauls with their fun and unique gameplays over a yet-another-religious-civ. I would accept them only if they really have a unique gameplay making them interesting. Which made us move unto the most important point:

I'D TAKE AN OBSCURE OR RIDICULOUS OR "UNWORTHY" CIV LIKE INUITS OR SAN MARINO IF THEY HAVE INTERESTING AND ENGAGING GAMEPLAYS OVER "BIG NAMES" LIKE AUSTRIA OR ITALY IF THEY HAVE BORING GAMEPLAYS

And while there is some hit-and-miss in the NFP (looking at you, Simon), I think that the dev team at least made an effort to create interesting, engaging and fun civs, because, even if I personally hate conquering civs and I think we already have enough religious civs, I think both Ethiopia and Byzantium showed signs that the devs tried something new over simple "X% bonuses"

The fact you consider Ireland as yet another religious Civ doesn't mean Ireland is the one and the devs will picture them this way. This is largely a problem of Venice. Many people stick to their interpretation from Civ 5 as a one-city challenge and puppeting CS ability which is not true. Venice has a lot of other great things to offer and can capitalize on many other game mechanics. The Mayans won't be a tall civ of 6 (edited: pixels) hexes radius forever in Civ games.

 

[SirMediocrity]

The Kings and Generals channel just barely posted this. It’s good to see someone finally giving the Kushans a little love. For being such a major and influential empire in their heyday, they don’t get a lot of screen time in the modern era.

On the off-chance that we do get a Final Frontier pass, who wants to meme in a fascinating central Asian empire?

I honestly have a huge grudge against the Yuezhi for destroying the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'D TAKE AN OBSCURE OR RIDICULOUS OR "UNWORTHY" CIV LIKE INUITS OR SAN MARINO IF THEY HAVE INTERESTING AND ENGAGING GAMEPLAYS OVER "BIG NAMES" LIKE AUSTRIA OR ITALY IF THEY HAVE BORING GAMEPLAYS

Like the Inuit cannot found cities and stay as tribal villages?
If we have to do a microstate give me Monaco or Vatican City, but yeah not over Austria or Italy.

The fact you consider Ireland as yet another religious Civ doesn't mean Ireland is the one and the devs will picture them this way. This is largely a problem of Venice. Many people stick to their interpretation from Civ 5 as a one-city challenge and puppeting CS ability which is not true. Venice has a lot of other great things to offer and can capitalize on many other game mechanics. The Mayans won't be a tall civ of 6 (edited: pixels) hexes radius forever in Civ games.

Armagh and the monastery unique improvement doesn't help the case. But yeah obviously culture is the way to go with Ireland.
Really wanted a St. Patrick's Day smiley to go along with that so here's the closest thing.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

The fact you consider Ireland as yet another religious Civ doesn't mean Ireland is the one and the devs will picture them this way. This is largely a problem of Venice. Many people stick to their interpretation from Civ 5 as a one-city challenge and puppeting CS ability which is not true. Venice has a lot of other great things to offer and can capitalize on many other game mechanics. The Mayans won't be a tall civ of 6 (edited: pixels) hexes radius forever in Civ games.

Of course it's true, but the fact is that civs are represented as a simplified version of what they truly are, exacerbing clichés and making them the identity of the Civ.
You say the Mayans won't be a tall civ forever, but France is the cultural powerhouse since... well, forever I feel, while completely ignoring that France has been one of the most populous kingdom of Europe AND the most important military player of EUrope for centuries, while culturally speaking, except for managing to impose french as a lingua franca during the Enlightment, historically France has been on par with its neighbors. And yet, again and again, FRance is a cultural powerhouse without never having a military focus nor an agrarian focus.

My point is that some civs have a flavor attached to them. I know that Ireland is more than simply religious, but if we have to highlight what the Irish project most onto the world, then religion is pretty one of the major feature: one of the most catholic countries, filled with monasteries up to the brink, and basically providing EUrope with theologians and scholar for a large part of the Middle-Ages. Making Ireland not religious would be as if you made England not naval. Sure, you could, but it won't happen.
Out of genuine curiosity: if Ireland is not religious whatsoever, what could they been then?

Ireland could work in a similar way as Arabia, science through faith or faith through science, to show the big production of theologians and scriptoriums they had. And, of course, each and every new civ they could bring us could be as interesting, unique or fun as Scotland or the Gauls. But, as I said, making Ireland not religious would defeat the purpose, and we already have enough religious civ IMO, especially religious civs that cover quite large gameplays: religion+exploration/colonization (Spain), religion+conquest (Byzantium, Chandragupta, Poland), religion+science (Arabia), religion+trade (Mali, Ethiopia), religion+culture (Russia, Ethiopia, Khmers, Poland), religion+terrain (Maoris, Mali, Russia), religion+seafaring (Indonesia, Norway), religion+diplomacy/city-States (Georgia, Gandhi), religion+pop/happiness/food (India, Khmers), religion+city planning (Nubia, Japan) and my favourite: religion without religion (Kongo). Amongst all those civs, I personally fail to see which new interesting niche Ireland could fill.

If we have to do a microstate give me Monaco or Vatican City, but yeah not over Austria or Italy.

As I said, if Italy or Austria designs are boring/uninteresting/lame, but they manage to give us a fun and engaging Andorra, I'd take Andorra.

Also : HOW CAN YOU PUT VATICAN CITY AND MONACO OVER SAN MARINO??!?! You'd put a ridiculous principality than became wealthy through a casino, or a theocracy that existed barely for a century, over the longest living republic in the world? I'm sorry, but the country that has been contemporaneous of the ROman EMpire and still alive today is more worthy of inclusion than any other micro-State or even bigger nations.
SAN MARINO IS LOVE! SAN MARINO IS LIFE!

 

[The Kingmaker]

I honestly have a huge grudge against the Yuezhi for destroying the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom.

The Scythians did that. Or rather, to over-simplify, the Xiongnu pushed the Yuezhi west, where they displaced the Scythians. The displaced Scythians ravaged Greco-Bactria. The Yuezhi then displaced the Scythians again into Parthia and India and occupied Bactria.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Also : HOW CAN YOU PUT VATICAN CITY AND MONACO OVER SAN MARINO??!?! You'd put a ridiculous principality than became wealthy through a casino, or a theocracy that existed barely for a century, over the longest living republic in the world? I'm sorry, but the country that has been contemporaneous of the ROman EMpire and still alive today is more worthy of inclusion than any other micro-State or even bigger nations.
SAN MARINO IS LOVE! SAN MARINO IS LIFE!

Eh...they wouldn't have a Grand Prix unique improvement or a pope as a leader which would offer more interesting playstyles.

 

[ElectRonin]

I'm sorry, but the country that has been contemporaneous of the ROman EMpire and still alive today is more worthy of inclusion than any other micro-State or even bigger nations.

I agree with the sentiment but I don't think "Worthiness" is a thing in Civ, rr at least it's very outweighed by boardroom decisions. Why include a country with 1000+ years of history when you can make a Texan civ with a Bud Light unique resource and make 10+ times more money?

 

[Yudhisthira]

The Scythians did that. Or rather, to over-simplify, the Xiongnu pushed the Yuezhi west, where they displaced the Scythians. The displaced Scythians ravaged Greco-Bactria. The Yuezhi then displaced the Scythians again into Parthia and India and occupied Bactria.

Thou Greek was still official language of Bactria, only to be replaced by Kanishka. So,In a way Kushan were responsible for reviving Bactrian culture.

Thats why I think if we can't get Yuezhi kind of (moving) civ,then someone like Kaniksha can lead Bactrian civ which is the place where they build their empire.