[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

And we don't need another harbor replacement. I think a commercial hub or industrial zone would be more unique if given a coastal limitation.

I envision it as unique improvement like it was in Civ 5.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

I envision it as unique improvement like it was in Civ 5.

Could also work, although that would make Portugal feel industry/commerce oriented in a way that exceeds Germany and Mali, given that it could have both feitoria and CHs/IZs. And I don't quite agree with that flavor; I would rather Portugal be about on par with Mali with a very powerful coastal CH.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I’m hearing that there’s a lot of controversy regarding Menelik II in Ethiopia now (Oromia ppl are criticizing him for being a tyrant who suppressed them). It might not affect Firaxis of Civ’s direct audience, but it would be slightly insensitive for them to put him in now...It would probably be best if they didn’t pick him, but we’ll see what happens. Unless they delay the DLC, it’s too late for them to put in a different leader.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Could also work, although that would make Portugal feel industry/commerce oriented in a way that exceeds Germany and Mali, given that it could have both feitoria and CHs/IZs. And I don't quite agree with that flavor; I would rather Portugal be about on par with Mali with a very powerful coastal CH.

I know it would be quite controversial and also maybe OP and especially completely difficult to put in place but... would it be possible to have the Feitoria to be a replacement for the Comercial Hub AND the Industrial Zone at the same time? Two districts for the price of one, capacity of 6 buildings in it, have the adjacency bonuses of both... Could be really interesting and offer and brand new gameplay.

 

[GenyaArikado]

I wonder who is going to be this pack's waifu.

Vanilla had Cleopatra and/or Victoria
Vanilla DLC had Jadwiga
RnF had Tamar (in theory, in practice people didnt appreciate my King's eastern european beauty)
GS had Eleanor

 

[pokiehl]

Reasoning for why so-and-so won't appear or how XYZ won't happen seem to me to just be arbitrary fan rules devised post hoc. If Firaxis wants to do something, they're going to do it. An icon or a name in a city list or a "theme" or anything like that won't stop them - give the team more credit for its creativity

There've been so many unexpected additions to this game that no one can truly know what is or isn't possible.

 

[The googles do nothing]

I know it would be quite controversial and also maybe OP and especially completely difficult to put in place but... would it be possible to have the Feitoria to be a replacement for the Comercial Hub AND the Industrial Zone at the same time? Two districts for the price of one, capacity of 6 buildings in it, have the adjacency bonuses of both... Could be really interesting and offer and brand new gameplay.

There's one OP civ in each dlc so why not?

 

[Revanchist]

Considering that Firaxis decided to choose Kristina despite how controversial she was, I don't think Menelik will be much of a problem. My only issue is that Firaxis picks leaders and then gives them abilities that aren't even loosely related to what they did in history

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Could also work, although that would make Portugal feel industry/commerce oriented in a way that exceeds Germany and Mali, given that it could have both feitoria and CHs/IZs. And I don't quite agree with that flavor; I would rather Portugal be about on par with Mali with a very powerful coastal CH.

The thing is the feitorias were as much marketplaces as they were also a warehouse and a fort, which is why I decided to make it an improvement that could do all of those things. I don't think that would make them as powerful on production as Germany, or commercially as Mali. I see it comparable to the Polder improvement.

I’m hearing that there’s a lot of controversy regarding Menelik II in Ethiopia now (Oromia ppl are criticizing him for being a tyrant who suppressed them). It might not affect Firaxis of Civ’s direct audience, but it would be slightly insensitive for them to put him in now...It would probably be best if they didn’t pick him, but we’ll see what happens. Unless they delay the DLC, it’s too late for them to put in a different leader.

They already have the leader picked out. I would hope that this doesn't delay the DLC if they did pick him. This is the problem sometimes with picking too modern leaders unfortunately.

I wonder who is going to be this pack's waifu.

Vanilla had Cleopatra and/or Victoria
Vanilla DLC had Jadwiga
RnF had Tamar (in theory, in practice people didnt appreciate my King's eastern european beauty)
GS had Eleanor

We already have Lady Six Sky though. Though I could see Theodora possibly taking the spot.
And everyone knows it's Wilhelmina, not Tamar in R&F.

 

[SMcM]

In terms of likely civilizations to be added, Portugal and Byzantium have been in all of the recent Civ games and so seem very likely. I doubt they would repeat Maria for Portugal- I think they have only repeated leaders who are very obvious choices in Civ VI. Genghis Khan, Shaka, Montezuma and Pacahuti are either largely viewed as among the most celebrated leaders of their civilizations, or at this point they are seen as a staple of the series. Including Gandhi is certainly a tradition at this point. Bringing back Henry the Navigator from Civ III is perhaps possible, and João II is likely too. If they went for new leaders instead, Manuel I or João III might make sense. Justinian or Theodora for Byzantium is definitely possible, but I think a change might be nice. Perhaps a later ruler such as Basil II, representing a phase of Byzantine history more detached from the days of the Western Roman Empire. Babylon has got to be pretty likely too, it's been in every civilization game. Could bring back Hammurabi who was the leader of Babylon in all Civilization games until Civilization VI if I remember correctly. They could go for a different Mesopotamian Civilization though, perhaps bring back Hittites from Civilization III.

Another indigenous North American civilization definitely seems likely, I couldn't really guess because it could be any. The Navajo are a well known people, Apache led by Geronimo would be nice since he's an iconic leader. They might bring back Sitting Bull (presumably this time leading Sioux as opposed to 'Native Americans' like in Civilization IV). In terms of brand new civilizations there is a lot of interesting options in sub-Saharan Africa. Hausa led by Amina, Madagascar led by Ranavalona I, Ashanti led by Osei Tutu I or Yaa Asantewaa, Zimbabwe led by Nyanhewe Matope, Benin led by Ewuare. Of course we already have Ethiopia on the way- multiple African civilizations is possible but not inevitable. I think Latin America is unlikely to get more after Maya and Gran Colombia. I've seen a lot of people talk about Vietnam, and it makes sense since I suppose another Southeast Asia civ is possible. There might be a lot of people wanting Boadicea in the game, but I wonder if they see Scotland as the celtic representation in this game.

 

[Revanchist]

Lalibela could get a unique rock church improvement, and then the obelisks could be the civilization's unique building.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebre_Mesqel_Lalibela

 

[Thenewwwguy]

We already have Lady Six Sky though. Though I could see Theodora possibly taking the spot.
And everyone knows it's Wilhelmina, not Tamar in R&F.

Obviously the base game waifu was gilgamesh, not cleopatra.

Lalibela could get a unique rock church improvement, and then the obelisks could be the civilization's unique building.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebre_Mesqel_Lalibela

I would accept this

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Lalibela could get a unique rock church improvement, and then the obelisks could be the civilization's unique building.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebre_Mesqel_Lalibela

Or the other way around with Ezana getting an obelisk UB and the Rock church being the civ's unique infrastructure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ezana's_Stela

 

[The Kingmaker]

Babylon has got to be pretty likely too, it's been in every civilization game. Could bring back Hammurabi who was the leader of Babylon in all Civilization games until Civilization VI if I remember correctly.

Hammurabi was in Civ 1-4. Nebuchadnezzar was in Civ 5. The two of them are really the only viable Babylonian leaders. No one else has major name recognition. I don’t foresee anybody knocking down FXS’ doors to get Burnaburiash in the game, for example.

 

[pokiehl]

Hammurabi was in Civ 1-4. Nebuchadnezzar was in Civ 5. The two of them are really the only viable Babylonian leaders. No one else has major name recognition. I don’t foresee anybody knocking down FXS’ doors to get Burnaburiash in the game, for example.

What does "name recognition" matter in a game with the likes of Eleanor, Lautaro, Kupe, Amanitore, Lady Six Sky, etc.?

Again, this is just a fan rule you're imagining to exist.

 

[Zaarin]

Hammurabi was in Civ 1-4. Nebuchadnezzar was in Civ 5. The two of them are really the only viable Babylonian leaders. No one else has major name recognition. I don’t foresee anybody knocking down FXS’ doors to get Burnaburiash in the game, for example.

I'd add Nabopolassar to the list, and maybe Nabonassar and Nabonidus (though I wouldn't be particularly thrilled with either as Nabonassar ended up a vassal of Assyria and Nabonidus lost the empire to Cyrus).

What does "name recognition" matter in a game with the likes of Eleanor, Lautaro, Kupe, Amanitore, Lady Six Sky, etc.?

Again, this is just a fan rule you're imagining to exist.

And yet we also have more dubious choices like Cleopatra and Gilgamesh who were clearly chosen for their name recognition. I think it's clear that pop history and name recognition are a factor--not the factor, but a factor. (Also Eleanor of Aquitaine and her Court of Love may not be Cleopatra-tier, but she's hardly obscure. Anyone who reads historical fiction or watches period dramas almost certainly knows who she is.)

 

[pokiehl]

I'd add Nabopolassar to the list, and maybe Nabonassar and Nabonidus (though I wouldn't be particularly thrilled with either as Nabonassar ended up a vassal of Assyria and Nabonidus lost the empire to Cyrus).


And yet we also have more dubious choices like Cleopatra and Gilgamesh who were clearly chosen for their name recognition. I think it's clear that pop history and name recognition are a factor--not the factor, but a factor. (Also Eleanor of Aquitaine and her Court of Love may not be Cleopatra-tier, but she's hardly obscure. Anyone who reads historical fiction or watches period dramas almost certainly knows who she is.)

Maybe among the amateur armchair historians here Eleanor is not obscure, but to the majority of Civ's playerbase I'm sure she is. Her reveal video was littered with comments like "literally who?" I consider myself a well-educated person and I had no clue who she was.

You're saying some leaders are chosen for name recognition...while others aren't...which means we can infer precisely nothing. If Firaxis wants to chose a random leader who barely has a paragraph-long Wikipedia page over a well-known leader they've used in the past, they will...and they just did in May!

About the only thing we can say for sure is they won't just make someone up out of the blue.

 

[The Kingmaker]

What does "name recognition" matter in a game with the likes of Eleanor, Lautaro, Kupe, Amanitore, Lady Six Sky, etc.?

Again, this is just a fan rule you're imagining to exist.

Eleanor is well-known. The others are all from civs where most people probably couldn’t name one leader.

If we’re lucky enough to get Babylon, we’re getting either Hammurabi or Nebuchadnezzar.

I'd add Nabopolassar to the list, and maybe Nabonassar and Nabonidus (though I wouldn't be particularly thrilled with either as Nabonassar ended up a vassal of Assyria and Nabonidus lost the empire to Cyrus).

Yeah, that’s like having Atahualpa or Romulus Augustulus.

 

[Zaarin]

Maybe among the amateur armchair historians here Eleanor is not obscure, but to the majority of Civ's playerbase I'm sure she is. Her reveal video was littered with comments like "literally who?" I consider myself a well-educated person and I had no clue who she was.

I don't think you have to be specifically interested in history. Eleanor has a pretty high pop culture profile thanks to the many dramas centered on her sons John and Richard as well as the related legends of Robin Hood. She had a decently central role in the awful Russell Crowe/Cate Blanchett Robin Hood film from a few years ago, for instance. I'm sure you could safely dedicate an entire section of a library to historical fiction about Eleanor.

You're saying some leaders are chosen for name recognition...while others aren't...which means we can infer precisely nothing. If Firaxis wants to chose a random leader who barely has a paragraph-long Wikipedia page over a well-known leader they've used in the past, they will...and they just did in May!

I never said otherwise. I was simply pointing out that the presence of Cleopatra, Gilgamesh, Victoria, and so on means that pop culture credentials and name recognition are factors that at least some of the time they consider. I said nothing about how that factors into speculation.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

You're saying some leaders are chosen for name recognition...while others aren't...which means we can infer precisely nothing. If Firaxis wants to chose a random leader who barely has a paragraph-long Wikipedia page over a well-known leader they've used in the past, they will...and they just did in May!

To be fair Lady Six Sky was frequently mentioned on these forums and I'm sure that helped in their choices. The same could be said with Tamar of Georgia.

About the only thing we can say for sure is they won't just make someone up out of the blue.

It is a good thing we won't go back to Civ 2 leaders like Shakala of the Zulu. If that was the case then Ishtar for Babylon would also have another chance at returning.