[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I mean, Dubai has one without the mountain so it's not that unrealistic. Plus there are ski resorts in Arizona.

Not all of Arizona is desert though such as Flagstaff.

 

[DWilson]

Coffee is overrated. Give me some fresh cacao seeds, roasted and ground with hot water and a bit of cayenne!

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Not all of Arizona is desert though such as Flagstaff.

Yet there is also Mt. Lemmon in Tucson, which is very much surrounded by desert. Arizona is weird, third most biodiverse and ecologically diverse state in the contiguous U.S. based on rough estimates (behind California/Texas and California/Washington, respectively). And California and Texas practically don't count, given that Texas is over twice as big as most other states and both span over 750 miles in length, while Arizona and Washington are in the 350-400 range.

Arizona and Washington also happen to be my two biggest hotspots for hopeful new civs in North America.

 

[Zaarin]

Not all of Arizona is desert though such as Flagstaff.

I know. I was born in Flagstaff.

Coffee is overrated. Give me some fresh cacao seeds, roasted and ground with hot water and a bit of cayenne!

Cinnamon and/or cardamom with rose water is the way to go with hot chocolate.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Yet there is also Mt. Lemmon in Tucson, which is very much surrounded by desert. Arizona is weird, third most biodiverse and ecologically diverse state in the contiguous U.S. based on rough estimates (behind California/Texas and California/Washington, respectively). And California and Texas practically don't count, given that Texas is over twice as big as most other states and both span over 750 miles in length, while Arizona and Washington are in the 350-400 range.

Arizona and Washington also happen to be my two biggest hotspots for hopeful new civs in North America.

I’m fine with any PNW tribe. Inarguably, the tlingit and salish have the most going for them, but the Portlander in me wants to see the Chinook.

 

[Zaarin]

I’m fine with any PNW tribe. Inarguably, the tlingit and salish have the most going for them, but the Portlander in me wants to see the Chinook.

Chiefly what the Salish have going for them is a well-known leader in Seattle. Otherwise there are quite a few other PNW tribes whose cultures were more sophisticated than theirs, like the Nuu-chah-nulth/Makah, Kwakwaka'wakw, Tsimshian, or Haida. I just want to hear Sean Bean try to pronounce Kwakwaka'wakw. Or maybe I don't.

 

[AntSou]

Give me some fresh cacao seeds, roasted and ground with hot water and a bit of cayenne!

"Caywhat? We ain't got none of that, but I'll take a look in the back, we might still have some nesquik left."

Cinnamon and/or cardamom with rose water is the way to go with hot chocolate.

"Yeah we ain't got that either but you can add some extra sugar if you want. Make it real sweet. My niece likes it."

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Chiefly what the Salish have going for them is a well-known leader in Seattle. Otherwise there are quite a few other PNW tribes whose cultures were more sophisticated than theirs, like the Nuu-chah-nulth/Makah, Kwakwaka'wakw, Tsimshian, or Haida. I just want to hear Sean Bean try to pronounce Kwakwaka'wakw. Or maybe I don't.

Logically, the Haida would be the best option, but clearly they’ve had some hiccups with the Haida, which is why the Cree were added instead. The Tlingit are the next best option imo.

The salish are big cuz they have Chief Seattle, yeah, but also the Chinook had a really interesting culture as well, and were geographically further away from the cluster that you’ve mentioned.

Kwakwaka’wakw doesn’t seem too hard to say, just to type though...

 

[The Kingmaker]

You know, in my summary the other day, I forgot to mention the Goths. I do see them as a real possibility for either a Final Frontier civ or a Civ 7 XP.

 

[Zaarin]

Logically, the Haida would be the best option, but clearly they’ve had some hiccups with the Haida, which is why the Cree were added instead. The Tlingit are the next best option imo.

Yeah. I would have put the Haida, Tlingit, and Tsimshian on more or less the same level.

the Chinook had a really interesting culture as well, and were geographically further away from the cluster that you’ve mentioned.

I generally consider the Interior Northwest/Plateau as distinct from the Pacific Northwest as the culture and lifestyle was quite different; in particular, the further east you go on the Plateau the more like the Plains it looks--see the Blackfoot, Cayuse, and so forth.

Kwakwaka’wakw doesn’t seem too hard to say, just to type though...

Theoretically "Tokimune," "Qin," and "Jayavarman" shouldn't be hard to say either...

You know, in my summary the other day, I forgot to mention the Goths. I do see them as a real possibility for either a Final Frontier civ or a Civ 7 XP.

I'd love to see the Goths.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

You know, in my summary the other day, I forgot to mention the Goths. I do see them as a real possibility for either a Final Frontier civ or a Civ 7 XP.

I'd love to see the Goths.

I think they're already in the Red Death.

Unless you mean the historical Goths. Theodoric would be interesting.

 

[Zaarin]

I think they're already in the Red Death.

So we're going to have that kind of goth?

Unless you mean the historical Goths. Theodoric would be interesting.

Theodoric or Alaric I would be great.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Yeah. I would have put the Haida, Tlingit, and Tsimshian on more or less the same level.


I generally consider the Interior Northwest/Plateau as distinct from the Pacific Northwest as the culture and lifestyle was quite different; in particular, the further east you go on the Plateau the more like the Plains it looks--see the Blackfoot, Cayuse, and so forth.


Theoretically "Tokimune," "Qin," and "Jayavarman" shouldn't be hard to say either...


I'd love to see the Goths.

i mean Chinook isn’t an interior group: they spanned from jsut north of the tillamook to modern day Portland and Mt. Hood.

Culturally they’re different from the strictly coastal nations like Haida and Tlingit but they aren’t fully unrelated and I’d still consider them a PNW tribe

 

[PhoenicianGold]

You know, in my summary the other day, I forgot to mention the Goths. I do see them as a real possibility for either a Final Frontier civ or a Civ 7 XP.

I think they are a very strong dark horse candidate. The most popular mod civ for V on steam, easy iconic candidate in Theoderic could lead unified Gothic kingdoms. Perhaps boring mechanically, but definitely the most organized of the European barb groups.

I still imagine we are more likely to get Portugal and Italy though. Which, hey, if we can have the Goths and Italic/Hispanic civs, maybe there is hope for Byzantium and Bulgaria.

 

[The Kingmaker]

I think they are a very strong dark horse candidate. The most popular mod civ for V on steam, easy iconic candidate in Theoderic could lead unified Gothic kingdoms. Perhaps boring mechanically, but definitely the most organized of the European barb groups.

I still imagine we are more likely to get Portugal and Italy though. Which, hey, if we can have the Goths and Italic/Hispanic civs, maybe there is hope for Byzantium and Bulgaria.

Oh, I think Portugal and Byzantium are shoe-in’s for NF. Italy... maybe. If we’re very lucky. I think they’re more likely FF content. If we’re lucky at all. As for the Goths? Maybe FF. Only if we’re extremely lucky.

Theodoric and Alaric are both good choices for the leader. For the UU, I think the best choices are either the gadrauht (sword and shield infantry) or gardingi (javelin cavalry).

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Cinnamon and/or cardamom with rose water is the way to go with hot chocolate.

I must try it.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

I have no idea who would lead them, but I've wondered if the Hopi or Zuni might be more amenable to inclusion than the Tewa were. Then again, I'd be surprised if Firaxis tried again after being rebuffed by the Tewa.

I don't know for the Zuni, but I think Lololoma would be a good leader choice for the Hopi. He's a more recent leader but, after meeting with President Arthur in Washington, he was an advocate for educating the Hopis even if it put him at odds with the more conservative members of his home. As much as I'd like the Navajo, I'd pick the Hopi in a heartbeat if we got the all clear for it.

i mean Chinook isn’t an interior group: they spanned from jsut north of the tillamook to modern day Portland and Mt. Hood.

Culturally they’re different from the strictly coastal nations like Haida and Tlingit but they aren’t fully unrelated and I’d still consider them a PNW tribe

Some Tlingit villages like Teslin and Atlin are quite a distance from the coast but to be fair I'm sure you mean that overall they have quite the preference for the coast/rivers. I do consider the Chinook to be part of the PNW area and while I'd prefer the Tlingit (their history seems a bit more exciting) pretty much any PNW tribe would be quite welcome. Sometimes it seems like hoping for just 1 PNW tribe would be somewhat equivalent to asking for just 1 Western European civ.

Cinnamon and/or cardamom with rose water is the way to go with hot chocolate.

That does sound great, I'll also have to try it out!

By the way, after watching some of the John Adams miniseries, my appreciation of him has gone up quite a bit and I'd like to see him as an alt leader.

 

[Revanchist]

I prefer Italy if Portugal is going to go in the same direction as Spain; no direction at all. The pueblo and their adobe houses would be a fun way to survive in the desert. A pithouse/adobe complex could work similar to the cree and provide bonus food/production if adjacent to bonus resources. We would need more desert resources, and a unique mesa terrain would be nice

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I prefer Italy if Portugal is going to go in the same direction as Spain; no direction at all. The pueblo and their adobe houses would be a fun way to survive in the desert. A pithouse/adobe complex could work similar to the cree and provide bonus food/production if adjacent to bonus resources. We would need more desert resources, and a unique mesa terrain would be nice

As much as I want Italy, I don't see why Portugal should get shafted and always be compared to Spain. It was different from Spain in Civ 5 so I'm sure it will be in Civ 6.
Spain is one of the most religious Civs in the game and I don't see Portugal playing like that at all.

The Pueblo aren't going to make it in due to the Civ 5 controversy. The Navajo are probably the best bet for a SW desert civ and they were able to farm and raise animals in the desert.

 

[Xandinho]

The only civs on which Portugal could overlap are England, Spain and the Netherlands, but they do not get any bonus related to colonization. Spain is a religious warmonger and Netherlands is a merchant. What we have as a colonizer in England are Victoria's bonuses, while the English civ itself is an industrialist and has nothing of a colonizer. Which makes the European colonizer niche totally open to Portugal without overlapping any civ.