[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Josephias]

I think it's probably real, though. I'm curious what "alternate economy" will amount to. Will we have full-blown corporations, or will it be more low-tech along the lines of the silk road and spice routes?

First that comes to mind is a change in the rules on how gold (and maybe other resources) work, for a more complex system. It may also offer some of the much demanded “world market” interfaces. I’d say corporations are less likely, and also an economic victory... but we can dream.

As it seem packs are tematically linked, I guess we can imagine Kublai abilities to be trade based, wich I think will fit well current mongolia civ specials, and will complement China’s dynastic cycles (if we have Mokublai & Chublai)

 

[Kimiimaro]

Chublai

This is great

 

[Zaarin]

As it seem packs are tematically linked, I guess we can imagine Kublai abilities to be trade based, wich I think will fit well current mongolia civ specials, and will complement China’s dynastic cycles (if we have Mokublai & Chublai)

Which probably also rules out a Central Asian civ.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Also @LordLakely what about "pinpointing Assyria"? Have I missed something?

I too am curious about this. Also seem to have missed something about Portugal.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Oh I wasn't aware the readme *literally* pointed towards a Vietnam/Kublai Khan update.

Confirmed as far as I'm concerned. Though it does appear to point towards the January update, not the September one.

I wonder what the Alternate Economy game mode they reference could be?

Also @LordLakely what about "pinpointing Assyria"? Have I missed something?

You haven't missed anything Assyria seems likely because of the sheer lack of Assyrian city states, where as Babylon and Akkad already exist. Portugal just... seems impossible to just ignore tbh?

There is no confirmation towards either, but I see no reason to assume either won't be added later on :shrug:.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I find it highly unlikely that Kublai Khan will lead Vietnam so it might be too early to read too much into it. Still, a lot of people have been predicting Vietnam and Kublai Khan (whether for Mongolia or Mongolia and China) for a while so I don't think we can rule it out, either. The devs have been known to slyly drop us hints in the past.

"Kublai Khan almost leads Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan in Civilization 6. But he does lead Mongolia."

Either way I'm excited and this does look convincing.

 

[blackcatatonic]

I can't think of a time the devs have ever dropped a hint that turned out to be false so yeah, I'm sold. Also ties in nicely with my predictions for Pack #5 as per my signature

Now the question is: will Kublai just be leading Mongolia, or China too?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I can't think of a time the devs have ever dropped a hint that turned out to be false so yeah, I'm sold. Also ties in nicely with my predictions for Pack #5 as per my signature

I mean it was a pretty easy prediction. At least to me it was.

 

[blackcatatonic]

I mean it was a pretty easy prediction. At least to me it was.

Heeey, don't be cramping my Smug Mode

Admittedly it was always going to be a new leader for either Mongolia or Korea given that we knew it was a R&F-requiring leader, and the other options weren't really plausible. And it was logical to assume the accompanying Civ would also be from Asia as they seem to be grouping these geographically.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

I mean it was a pretty easy prediction. At least to me it was.

yeah vietnam and kublai was fairly obvious, but what other hints did they drop?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

As it seem packs are tematically linked, I guess we can imagine Kublai abilities to be trade based, wich I think will fit well current mongolia civ specials, and will complement China’s dynastic cycles (if we have Mokublai & Chublai)

Now the question is: will Kublai just be leading Mongolia, or China too?

I'm really thinking that Kublai might have that unused trait that was seen in the files where you get a free eureka or inspiration after completing a foreign trade route.

That seems like it would synergize well with Mongolia's Ortoo and China's Dynastic Cycles and easily call it Silk Road.

 

[SMcM]

We already have Vikings with Hardrada.

And Gaul, Babylon and/or a Native American tribe such as the Sioux are all certainly still possible.

It seems very unlikely to me that Babylon won't be in Civilization VI. I doubt they will swap it with Akkad or another Mesopotamian Civilization. We already have Sumeria which wasn't in Civ V- I think that is in place of Assyria in Civ V. Babylon has been in every Civ game so I'm pretty sure it's a fixture of the series.

And I agree that Kublai as a leader for both Mongolia and China seems pretty likely.

yeah vietnam and kublai was fairly obvious, but what other hints did they drop?

You correctly guessed Lady Six Sky? Was there some hints leading you predict that or something? If there wasn't I've got no idea how you would have correctly guessed that unless you have behind the scenes information lol, unless she's much more famous that I realise it seemed like quite a surprise to me

 

[AntSou]

You correctly guessed Lady Six Sky? Was there some hints leading you predict that or something? If there wasn't I've got no idea how you would have correctly guessed that unless you have behind the scenes information lol, unless she's much more famous that I realise it seemed like quite a surprise to me

She's famous here and on reddit, and that seems to be the reason they picked her as far as we can tell.

 

[The Kingmaker]

It seems very unlikely to me that Babylon won't be in Civilization VI. I doubt they will swap it with Akkad or another Mesopotamian Civilization. We already have Sumeria which wasn't in Civ V- I think that is in place of Assyria in Civ V. Babylon has been in every Civ game so I'm pretty sure it's a fixture of the series.

And I agree that Kublai as a leader for both Mongolia and China seems pretty likely.

I agree with this assessment.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

You correctly guessed Lady Six Sky? Was there some hints leading you predict that or something? If there wasn't I've got no idea how you would have correctly guessed that unless you have behind the scenes information lol, unless she's much more famous that I realise it seemed like quite a surprise to me

Just in case you haven't heard either a lot of people, including myself, have been talking about one of the Trung Sisters, or both, as possible leaders for Vietnam as well.
The developers love reading this forum and look at potential ideas.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

First that comes to mind is a change in the rules on how gold (and maybe other resources) work, for a more complex system. It may also offer some of the much demanded “world market” interfaces. I’d say corporations are less likely, and also an economic victory... but we can dream.

As it seem packs are tematically linked, I guess we can imagine Kublai abilities to be trade based, wich I think will fit well current mongolia civ specials, and will complement China’s dynastic cycles (if we have Mokublai & Chublai)

Speaking of which, I hope we get a Vijaya city-state. I was also wondering if Vietnam might have a trade focus but it doesn't have to if there's a Champa city-state. Tondo and Bangkok can come too.

I'm really thinking that Kublai might have that unused trait that was seen in the files where you get a free eureka or inspiration after completing a foreign trade route.

That seems like it would synergize well with Mongolia's Ortoo and China's Dynastic Cycles and easily call it Silk Road.

Although I really like the elegance of this being a Byzantine gimmick, calling it Silk Road and giving it to Kublai would also make quite a lot of sense.

You correctly guessed Lady Six Sky? Was there some hints leading you predict that or something? If there wasn't I've got no idea how you would have correctly guessed that unless you have behind the scenes information lol, unless she's much more famous that I realise it seemed like quite a surprise to me

People had been throwing LSS around since the base game came out and it was discovered that the devs were prioritizing female leaders where they could. It honestly made a lot of sense since she was the only reasonable female option between the big three ancient American civs and without her it would be a sausagefest.

It seems very unlikely to me that Babylon won't be in Civilization VI. I doubt they will swap it with Akkad or another Mesopotamian Civilization. We already have Sumeria which wasn't in Civ V- I think that is in place of Assyria in Civ V. Babylon has been in every Civ game so I'm pretty sure it's a fixture of the series.

And I agree that Kublai as a leader for both Mongolia and China seems pretty likely.

City-states didn't exist in I-IV and V was kind of a rough draft of the concept. This is the first time the devs probably had the luxury to consider whether Babylon worked better as a city-state, and it fits so well it's a good reason to break precedent. Especially with how Sumeria feels so Babylonian.

Another shower thought:

I had been expecting a third expack to include an economic victory with some sort of overhaul with corporations and better use of luxuries. And there was speculation as to whether a third expack was in development but then broken up into a DLC pass.

Well let me now point out that this season so far has kind of soft theme going along those lines. Both the Maya and GC have a luxury resource bias, Ethiopia has a trade bonus, and this mystery ability also encourages trade routes. I'm curious if the remnants of this expack's economic overhaul which were reworked for DLC 5 game mode make use of and add onto these trade/luxury abilities? I think one of the best ways to sell the whole season pass would be to have some synergy between DLC packs...

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

What was the exact wording of the Readme again? Was it Alternate economy or alternative economy? I'm too lazy to go back and look it up.

If it's the first, could it mean Alternate [Leader] Economy [Victory]?

 

[PhoenicianGold]

What was the exact wording of the Readme again? Was it Alternate economy or alternative economy? I'm too lazy to go back and look it up.

If it's the first, could it mean Alternate [Leader] Economy [Victory]?

"Alternate Economy Game Mode"

 

[AntSou]

If it's the first, could it mean Alternate [Leader] Economy [Victory]?

I'm not reading it like that at all. It just sounds like they don't have a name for it yet.

Also, it might be exactly what it says on the tin. An Alternate Economy game mode, as in an alternative take on the commerce/economy side of the game. Maybe makes it a bit more complex? Luxury trading requiring trade routes? Perhaps stuff like that.

Would fit pretty well with the Silk Road stuff already mentioned by Hetaroi. Would also make trade routes much more interesting.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

You want to talk about an alternate economy format, how about a commodity-scarcity economy.

For every resource a city has, the city's trade route yield is increased proportionate to the city's market share of each resource when trading with a city that does not otherwise have access to that resource either by improving that resource or getting it via another trade route.

For example, if there are 7 improved Cotton tiles in the world and Paris controls 2, its trade routes to cities that do not have any Cotton would be +2 yield (gold or food/Industry depending on foreign or domestic). If Paris owned all 7 improved Cotton tiles, it would be +7 yield.

If they owned 2 and traded them to London who has no native access to Cotton, but also received a Trade Route from Berlin who also has 2 improved Cotton tiles, both Paris and Berlin would receive only +1 Gold on their Trade Routes to London because their Cotton sellers in London are competing with each other (and not conspiring with each other).