[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[8housesofelixir]

How is the situation with Mongolia and China now? Does anybody know how Kublai is perceived over there now? Won't his inclusion bring problems for Firaxis?

People in China whining about a Mongolia "problem" usually don't play civ or don't understand the historical 4x game genre at all - you can imagine them as people who whined about Kristina and Seondeok. FXS can safely ignore them.

 

[Zaarin]

People in China whining about a Mongolia "problem" usually don't play civ or don't understand the historical 4x game genre at all - you can imagine them as people who whined about Kristina and Seondeok. FXS can safely ignore them.

I wouldn't put Kristina and Seondeok in the same category personally. I love Kristina's personality in the game, but she's not exactly a great representative of Golden Age Sweden--she "ruled" for a few years, accomplished virtually nothing, abdicated, and converted to Catholicism. IMO she and Gandhi are the most dubious leader choices in the game. (Conversely Seondeok was slandered by Confucian Joseon historians but was very well regarded by her contemporaries.)

 

[8housesofelixir]

I wouldn't put Kristina and Seondeok in the same category personally. I love Kristina's personality in the game, but she's not exactly a great representative of Golden Age Sweden--she "ruled" for a few years, accomplished virtually nothing, abdicated, and converted to Catholicism. IMO she and Gandhi are the most dubious leader choices in the game. (Conversely Seondeok was slandered by Confucian Joseon historians but was very well regarded by her contemporaries.)

I mean, you are clearly not whining about them; you are arguing with applicable reasons. I'm describing a different group of people who instantly project their hate, whether onto Kristina or Seondeok or Kublai Khan, for similar "nationalism" reasons. I don't think a great many "historical" 4x game can satisfy these people and FXS shouldn't really care about them.

 

[Potworny]

People in China whining about a Mongolia "problem" usually don't play civ or don't understand the historical 4x game genre at all - you can imagine them as people who whined about Kristina and Seondeok. FXS can safely ignore them.

The reception of fans is one thing. The problem I'm more concerned about is whether this sentiment holds strong among the members of government and such.

 

[8housesofelixir]

The reception of fans is one thing. The problem I'm more concerned about is whether this sentiment holds strong among the members of government and such.

The only game being opening criticized by the PRC establishment (note: establishment, not really government) is PUBG (they claimed that this game is too bloody and would corrupt the minds of the teenagers - sounds familiar?), because PUBG is insanely famous and popular.

Will Civ series reach this level where virtually everyone is playing them? Very unlikely.

The government is surely totalitarian, but it doesn't mean the authority will deeply troubled by every single trivial foreign game selling on a foreign platform. And, yes, compare to the majority of the market, Civ is a game with very trivial influence. It's not like a high-level official will openly condemn a game with a limited audience; the would better condemn Mongolian government or something similar.

I would say the worst case is just you cannot stream or upload video about a certain game on Chinese websites.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Torn because I want a Native American civ for the final slot but not sure how likely that is

Join the club. I do too but at the same time I don't feel like the game would be complete without Portugal at least.

give me deblobbed india or give me death

I guess you've chosen death most likely.

I mean, you are clearly not whining about them; you are arguing with applicable reasons. I'm describing a different group of people who instantly project their hate, whether onto Kristina or Seondeok or Kublai Khan, for similar "nationalism" reasons. I don't think a great many "historical" 4x game can satisfy these people and FXS shouldn't really care about them.

The thing is Kublai would honestly make a great dual leader for both Mongolia and China, regardless of nationalism reasons, considering he mostly ruled from China.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Hi Andrew from Firaxis, we know you are reading this but you cannot comment or like comments regarding unreleased content. Since pack 6 cannot be both a Native American civ AND Portugal, please let the dev team know that it is literally easy money since a lot of us would be willing to pay for them Please be super extra wholesome (which you guys already are) and don't end Civ6 after NFP just yet. Thanks!

 

[DWilson]

Back in December 2018 my preferences for another round of civs was:

• Maya (Confirmed)
• Argentina/Colombia (Confirmed)
• Byzantium (Confirmed)
• Portugal
• Ethiopia (Confirmed)
• Vietnam (seen as likely)
• Morocco/Moors
• Babylon (confirmed)
• Ramsesses/Hapshepsut/Kublai(of China and Mongolia) (3rd of these is seen as likely, though with and/or logic on civ)

Right now, 5 are confirmed, 2 are likely, and only 1 non wish option has been announced (Gaul). I think 8/9 would be a pleasant surprise, but even 7/9 is exciting!

 

[Birch617]

I personally don't think they should stop making content for Civ 6 after new frontier, i heard from a lot of players how this pass has breath new life into the game; and gamemodes are kinda new gimmick worth time to keep exploring and expanding in the same way that Red Death was expanded at the start of the pass, especially with game mode like Secret Societies (which ive seen people doign their own) and with the new hero game people are even suggesting more heroes that could be implemented; additionally maybe they could try again with persona pack, they weren't bad but they are by far kinda meh

 

[ehecatzin]

The government is surely totalitarian, but it doesn't mean the authority will deeply troubled by every single trivial foreign game selling on a foreign platform. And, yes, compare to the majority of the market, Civ is a game with very trivial influence. It's not like a high-level official will openly condemn a game with a limited audience; the would better condemn Mongolian government or something similar.

I don't know man, they only need to add Tibet and "the feelings of China are hurt" rethoric from the Chinese government is sure to come. personally don't care about that, but I wouldn't put it past the Chinese government to be this petty. I'm sure Firaxis is aware of that.

About a second Frontier pack, I wouln't mind as long as it reigns in balance wise all of the stuff they added and give us the other we've been asking for (better pop managment and corporations for example).

There's plenty of civs that can still be added even if the usual suspects will most likely be done with this pack, should they also take the oportunity to add a lot of second leaders that could certainly entice people to dig in for a second pass.

 

[SirMediocrity]

give me deblobbed india or give me death

As much as I want this to happen I can't see it happening unless there is a serious paradigm shift in the way civilizations are chosen.

Personally, I really want civ to move toward a more de-blobbing way of doing things. Make India like France where we have a more modern civilization from the area and an older civilization. In the case of France: Gaul. In the case of India: Maurya and/or Chola.

 

[pjotroos]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's not Portugal in the last pack, because that keeps hope alive for another round of DLC afterwards - even if it's not NFP-sized, I'm sure there would be market for Portugal / Italy or Portugal / Morocco double-pack.

 

[notNamed]

I don't know man, they only need to add Tibet and "the feelings of China are hurt" rethoric from the Chinese government is sure to come. personally don't care about that, but I wouldn't put it past the Chinese government to be this petty. I'm sure Firaxis is aware of that.

China is not touchy about Tibet, but the post-Qing (and somewhat less so Ming) Tibet.
If you add Tibetan Empire led by whomever applicable they couldn't give less of a damn, even in the scenario where they specifically targeted Civ.
If you, however, made Dalai Lama as the leader with guerrila units and what-not, you might as well be adding Hitler and concentration camps in the west. Someone will report the game and they will declare it officially not kosher to buy in China.
Case in point, both Crusader Kings 2 and 3 have Tibetan empire and are well enjoyed even in the Chinese community. HoI4, which deals with the modern state, got thrown onto the store and not long after got taken down because Warlord Era China is a no-go and Tibet is one of the integral nobodies in that conflict. Same company, same level of notorious games, all have Tibet playable.

 

[mitsho]

I agree, if Tibet is just one of several options you can choose from a deblobbed China, it shouldn't be a big problem. The difference to Crusaders Kings, for example, is however that Civilization takes a Civ from one point in time and lets it play the whole range of history. That does imply a different kind of historicity than a strictly medieval outlook. Guessing that civ7 will re-vamp that staple of an eternal unchanging civilization and add some kind of dynamic in there (but will do it different from the way Humankind does it), my guess is that we very well could finally see some kind of Tibet in that time. For Civ6, I'd guess they would go with Nepal for the moment.

 

[ehecatzin]

As much as I want this to happen I can't see it happening unless there is a serious paradigm shift in the way civilizations are chosen.

Personally, I really want civ to move toward a more de-blobbing way of doing things. Make India like France where we have a more modern civilization from the area and an older civilization. In the case of France: Gaul. In the case of India: Maurya and/or Chola.

If they do a second frontier pass I'd absolutely love if they went back and revisited old civs and seriously redesign some of them to at least be on par with new ones. Debblobing India is possible and should be done, they've already made abundantly clear they don't shy away from post colonial civs, break India apart, keep Gandhi (so that Firaxis can keep on the stupid nuke joke) but make him the leader of post colonial India alone. And give Chandragupta a proper Maurya civ. As you mention they could also add another leader while they are at it and give us Chola or Mughal.

There's still civs I want to see back (Haudenosaunee and Assyria) but think that adding a bunch of old favourite leaders could seriously gain some traction even if all of the favourite civs seem to be done. Ramses, Isabella, Catherine, William of Orange, Julius Cesar, Wu Zetian, Theodora, etc.

make it...sort of Civ VI ultimate, all your favorites are back.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Another year of additional DLCs to Civ VI (which is what another NFP-type pattern would require) runs into two major influences, as I see it:
1. The current game's basic balance is still askew and getting harder and harder to rectify as they keep adding 'bells and whistles' to the creaking structure. We still have a moribund AI, dull last third of the game, poorly balanced Unit progressions. promotions and types - basically, stuff we've been posting about for Years which has not been addressed in NFP or anywhere else. Addressing them comprehensively would, at this point, effectively produce a New Game.
2. Humankind, the potential Bear in the Bathroom - you might try to ignore him, but it's very difficult. That game comes out in April next year, and comparisons are inevitable, especially since that game looks at a lot of the 'traditional' 4x Historical gaming tropes in entirely new ways. Since traditional 4x Historical Game = Civ, there will be a lot of pressure to relook at the Civ mechanisms - again, any such implementation will result in a completely new game.

For these reasons, I am skeptical of any major DLCs after NFP: I think the pressure will be on to produce a massively improved/changed Civ VII instead of trying to compete with a new game by incremental 'improvements' to Civ VI. Unless, of course, Humankind does a major Face Plant, but that does not look likely given the amount of positive press and comments it has received so far, including from members of these forums.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

China is not touchy about Tibet, but the post-Qing (and somewhat less so Ming) Tibet.
Someone will report the game and they will declare it officially not kosher to buy in China.

This is not how totalitarianism works If you want to operate in the Chinese mainland market to must do it through a local enterprises controlled by the government. So no one has to report it

 

[Xandinho]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed it's not Portugal in the last pack, because that keeps hope alive for another round of DLC afterwards - even if it's not NFP-sized, I'm sure there would be market for Portugal / Italy or Portugal / Morocco double-pack.

But the problem is: if there's nothing coming after NFP? I'd love to have more content after March, but we're not sure about that. The chances became lower when we knew that Babylon is coming now, it makes Portugal the only staple missing and it's very important to leave out. I'd not like to put Portugal in an area of uncertainty about a future content that we don't know if it comes. So yes, I particularly want Portugal in March.

 

[8housesofelixir]

This is not how totalitarianism works If you want to operate in the Chinese mainland market to must do it through a local enterprises controlled by the government. So no one has to report it

If you really want to get into this topic: Civ, CK, HoI, etc., all these games are selling via Steam, a US platform, obviously doesn't controlled by PRC government, but still having access to Mainland market.

The only way to let Steam remove some game from the Chinese region is actually mass reporting, to give pressure to those who originally couldn't give less of a damn but are forced to do it. And as I said before, PRC government will not really give a damn about a very trivial game, unless someone orchestrates a movement across the Chinese Internet hope to take the game down - which is very unlikely, considering the relatively small size of the player base.

 

[DivodAsa]

Personally, I really want civ to move toward a more de-blobbing way of doing things. Make India like France where we have a more modern civilization from the area and an older civilization. In the case of France: Gaul. In the case of India: Maurya and/or Chola.

Tbh,thats not a good comparison. Gaul were Civilization,Maurya was Empire.
Moreover,aren't Gaul & Franks different people. So they do look like different Civilizations IMO.