[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Greywulf]

I've not been able to keep up with the community for a time, so I've probably missed some vital info here, but any leaks or well founded speculation about who the very last civ/leader will be?

 

[AntSou]

I've not been able to keep up with the community for a time, so I've probably missed some vital info here, but any leaks or well founded speculation about who the very last civ/leader will be?

Unfortunately nothing. That seems to be a first in NFP... which raises the question that perhaps all the previous leaks were mistakes, not intentional.

I mean, they were so consistent I took for granted they were doing it on purpose. I don't know anymore.

 

[Greywulf]

Unfortunately nothing. That seems to be a first in NFP... which raises the question that perhaps all the previous leaks were mistakes, not intentional.

I mean, they were so consistent I took for granted they were doing it on purpose. I don't know anymore.

Yeah, I did expect that there would be something on them, but guess this is meant to be a complete surprise, then? Whoever they are, I'm very happy with the long list of playable civs as it is.

 

[Zaarin]

I've not been able to keep up with the community for a time, so I've probably missed some vital info here, but any leaks or well founded speculation about who the very last civ/leader will be?

No leaks, but a lot of us are expecting Portugal as the last missing staple, perhaps with Maria II as leader for a final female leader who isn't Maria the Mad...

 

[Jeppetto]

Maybe they teased/leaked it, but in very very obscure way, undetectable by even the most watchful ey...
Wait, no, looking at what we all speculated here about we'd already crack it by now.

 

[AntSou]

I don’t see how removing all religious aspect of Philip II’s portrayal makes sense (unless you want him to lead portugal, too). I can see however some mix and match can be applied: give Phil the Armadas buff (with a malus if they are caught by a storm...) but keep the inquisitors to him and the trade route bonus in Spain, which also gets the + against other religions. Difficult to come up with names, however.

Isabella the Catholic without Inquisitors doesn't make sense to me.

Charles V has been mentioned before as alt (at least by one more person, myself ), but the Dutch in this forum didn't seem to like the notion. Considering Charles role in the Counter-Reformation, isn't that overlapping with Philip's ability? This would be another reason to make the Inquisitor ability part of Spain's rather than the leader.

 

[8housesofelixir]

I've not been able to keep up with the community for a time, so I've probably missed some vital info here, but any leaks or well founded speculation about who the very last civ/leader will be?

Welcome to the great "Portugal vs. Haudenosaunee" debate, which to my knowledge had once continued more than 10 pages in this thread in last year.

 

[AntSou]

That made me think of how that could apply to my personal preference for the final NFP civ, a PNW civ like the Tlingit.

Welcome to the great "Portugal vs. Haudenosaunee" debate

I'm holding on to my stock that the last Civ might be Inuit or Tlingit, all because Grant pretended to drink a beverage with two hands while wearing a beanie.

This was a risky investment but I'm emotionally attached to it. I want it to be our NA Civ because I've already convinced myself this is a great idea.

Maybe they get a free Wild Salmon luxury on every city settled on a river; if settling on another resource, the salmon is placed on an adjacent tile that is also adjacent to a river, if available. When settling on a tile that is not adjacent to a river, a pelt luxury is placed on the city tile, or adjacent if settling on another resource.

Not sure if you're aware of this. They had seals as unique luxury:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=301782501

Seeing how we already have unique luxuries (Ley Lines), this doesn't sound farfetched.

 

[Guynemer]

I like the idea, but the Pelts would only work for the Tlingit--no other PNW tribe used them. That being said, salmon functions more like a bonus resource than a luxury one. I think the quintessential PNW luxury would be redcedar. (Some ability related to the salmon run would be lovely, though.)

That could also work. Settle next to forest, and a red cedar luxury spawns

A salmon run could be a granary or water mill replacement; extra housing, +1 food and production for every tile adjacent to a river.

 

[Guynemer]

Not sure if you're aware of this. They had seals has unique luxury:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=301782501

Fully aware, mon ami. One of my absolute favorites to play in Vox Populi with the 3/4 UC update from @pineappledan

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Unfortunately nothing. That seems to be a first in NFP... which raises the question that perhaps all the previous leaks were mistakes, not intentional.

I mean, they were so consistent I took for granted they were doing it on purpose. I don't know anymore.

I'm sure the only thing that was intentional was showing off the Venice city-state in the August livestream.

That being said I surely wasn't the only one looking for another new city-state in the livestream last month either, was I?

 

[pineappledan]

Tlingit are such fertile material, but they are notoriously hard to convince to release their likenesses, art, or stories. PNW cultures have cultural permissions on names, titles and stories, similar to western copyright. I think Firaxis would have a hard time getting a Tlingit nation’s consent to depict them in a video game.

 

[Zaarin]

Tlingit are such fertile material, but they are notoriously hard to convince to release their likenesses, art, or stories. PNW cultures have cultural permissions on names, titles and stories, similar to western copyright. I think Firaxis would have a hard time getting a Tlingit nation’s consent to depict them in a video game.

I agree, but it might be possible if they could get a Tlingit (or Haida or whatever) who has the rights to those things on board with the project--cf. the manga and films that have been released in Haida.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I like the idea, but the Pelts would only work for the Tlingit--no other PNW tribe used them. That being said, salmon functions more like a bonus resource than a luxury one. I think the quintessential PNW luxury would be redcedar. (Some ability related to the salmon run would be lovely, though.)

The western red cedar was more of a Unique Building material than a luxury - among other things, it allowed the construction of dug-out sea-going canoes that were almost as large as the Mediterranean Pentekonter or Phoenician Bireme and that, in turn, allowed groups like the Haida to trade up and down the western North American coast from central California to Alaska, and the Makah to go deep-ocean whale hunting.

I suggest that a Unique Luxury for the PNW cultures could be the Potlatch - the peculiar custom of showing off your wealth by giving it away extravagantly. The luxuries involved included elements of everything that's been mentioned: wood carving, weaving, fishing, shellfish, seal and whale products, pelts, etc.

 

[pineappledan]

Luxury that is specific to the Tlingit would be the Chilkat blankets.
More iconic than salmon, The Tlingit were major traders with the Dene. They created a very nutritious Eulachon fish oil which they traded inland using river and overland networks called grease trails. The Dene would give the Tlingit copper ingots in exchange, from which the Tlingit would craft tools and decorations. The Tlingit had trade routes extending as far as Siberia, from which they traded for iron tools, which they did not know how to make themselves.
Whale oil was another very valuable commodity to the Tlingit. It was used as a condiment on pretty much everything.

The grease trails would later become the main access routes for fortune seekers during the Klondike Gold Rush.

the Potlach (tl. Ku’Éex) could be used as the basis for a UA mechanic.

 

[Zaarin]

The western red cedar was more of a Unique Building material than a luxury - among other things, it allowed the construction of dug-out sea-going canoes that were almost as large as the Mediterranean Pentekonter or Phoenician Bireme and that, in turn, allowed groups like the Haida to trade up and down the western North American coast from central California to Alaska, and the Makah to go deep-ocean whale hunting.

Redcedar was also used to make clothing, chiefly hats, and ceremonial masks in addition to ceremonial poles, clan houses, and canoes so I think it works.

The Tlingit had trade routes extending as far as Siberia, from which they traded for iron tools, which they did not know how to make themselves.

Citation please. I've heard speculation that the Haida may have traded with Kamchatka, but to my knowledge there is no firm evidence and many scholars are doubtful. The Tlingit obtained iron nails from which they'd fashion adzes, Chinese coins, and bamboo from driftwood from Asian shipwrecks.

 

[pineappledan]

Citation please. I've heard speculation that the Haida may have traded with Kamchatka, but to my knowledge there is no firm evidence and many scholars are doubtful. The Tlingit obtained iron nails from which they'd fashion adzes, Chinese coins, and bamboo from driftwood from Asian shipwrecks.

https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/metallurgy-of-the-tlingit-dene-and-eskimo/
By virtue of the environment, Firm evidence can’t exist. Iron corrodes very quickly in the PNW. We have attestations from Tlingit of their trade network.

 

[Zaarin]

https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/metallurgy-of-the-tlingit-dene-and-eskimo/
By virtue of the environment, Firm evidence can’t exist. Iron corrodes very quickly in the PNW. We have attestations from Tlingit of their trade network.

I don't have time to read the article thoroughly right now, but to me what it seemed she was suggesting was that the Inuit traded across the Bering Sea--which could be corroborated by the existence of the Siberian Yupik and Sireniki.

 

[untitledjuan]

Isabella the Catholic without Inquisitors doesn't make sense to me.

Charles V has been mentioned before as alt (at least by one more person, myself ), but the Dutch in this forum didn't seem to like the notion. Considering Charles role in the Counter-Reformation, isn't that overlapping with Philip's ability? This would be another reason to make the Inquisitor ability part of Spain's rather than the leader.

Why wouldn't Charles V be a good option for Spain and Germany in the game? At least for Spain, I think it is a really interesting choice, if not for CIv VI, at least for Civ VII

 

[Greywulf]

A civ like the Inuit would certainly be a unique strategy, so that might actually be very cool (excuse the pun). I think there's a better chance for Portugal, like some of you mentioned.