[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[Duke William of Normandy]

Another thing I've been thinking about when it comes to new civs being added is the possibility for new UU replacements and 2nd unique districts. Maybe it's just my ocd brain wanting things to be equal, but there are so many ways that they can equalize these two categories to even out civ. And I know we have no idea if a season 2 pass will land or not...but it's something to think about still!

With GS and the NFP, almost every specialty districts has gotten a 2nd version (I.e. Seowon and Observatory) apart from three-the Commercial Hub, Holy Site, and Theatre Square.

Additionally, with Vietnam's crossbow UU and (assuming) Portugal's caravel UU, the only pre-modern units that don't have unique replacements are the Ironclad, Cuirassier (Rough Rider doesn't replace...) and the Field Cannon...and I feel they should have uniques!

So all in all...what civs could provide replacement UU/UDs for:

Commercial Hub:
Theatre Square:
Holy Site:
Ironclad:
Cuirasser:
Field Cannon:

Just maybe another, more mechanistic/gameplay idea of how to figure out what civs can be added beyond a representation angle...as that's been discussed at length already

Commercial Hub: Venice
Theatre Square: Will provide, not sure yet.
Holy Site: Mexico
Ironclad: Not sure.
Cuirassier: Sokoto
Field Cannon: Not sure either.

I hope this list helps you.

 

[ManoftheHour333]

Commercial Hub: Venice
Theatre Square: Will provide, not sure yet.
Holy Site: Mexico
Ironclad: Not sure.
Cuirassier: Sokoto
Field Cannon: Not sure either.

I hope this list helps you.

Holy Site for Mexico would be amazing! And it'd be a super cool way to include the mix of indigenous+catholic roots in the country's religious culture! I hadn't thought of that!

Tbh, they could knock out 2 birds with one stone if they go with Italy over Venice and give them a unique commercial hub (Maybe one that can house great works a'la the Medici Great Merchant) AND a unique Ironclad from the 1800s...might work well. Why Italy over Venice/Papal States/Florence? Because it includes all of them so it'd fit more people's preferences more completely...usually I hate blob civs but Italy might be the best call here.

And no worries-just wondering for discussion : )

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Holy Site for Mexico would be amazing! And it'd be a super cool way to include the mix of indigenous+catholic roots in the country! I hadn't thought of that!

This actually makes me love it even more. I did the Capilla Abierta while looking for a UI for my Mexico idea, and was pretty disappointed when I found that the Mexico mods for Civ 6 and Civ 5 basically only had Haciendas as a UI. Like come on, there's more research to be done than that!

 

[The Kingmaker]

Cosimo or Lorenzo get us into Art, Commerce, and Religion and it's hard to say they weren't actual leaders.

Lorenzo seems an obvious choice, though some might complain about having another Medici in the game.

Caterina Sforza is a popular choice.

Then there’s Cesare Borgia... stab, stab.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

Lorenzo seems an obvious choice, though some might complain about having another Medici in the game.

"Firaxis presents Sid Meier's Civilization VII, where every civ is either Hellenistic, an ex-British colony or led by a Medici. Nothing else."

 

[The Kingmaker]

"Firaxis presents Sid Meier's Civilization VII, where every civ is either Hellenistic, an ex-British colony or led by a Medici. Nothing else."

I mean, if memory serves, Catherine is the only Medici we’ve ever had in game. By contrast, we’ve got Greek civs and ex-British colonies up to our gills.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Another thing I've been thinking about when it comes to new civs being added is the possibility for new UU replacements and 2nd unique districts. Maybe it's just my ocd brain wanting things to be equal, but there are so many ways that they can equalize these two categories to even out civ. And I know we have no idea if a season 2 pass will land or not...but it's something to think about still!

With GS and the NFP, almost every specialty districts has gotten a 2nd version (I.e. Seowon and Observatory) apart from three-the Commercial Hub, Holy Site, and Theatre Square.

Additionally, with Vietnam's crossbow UU and (assuming) Portugal's caravel UU, the only pre-modern units that don't have unique replacements are the Ironclad, Cuirassier (Rough Rider doesn't replace...) and the Field Cannon...and I feel they should have uniques!

Commercial Hub: Venice, Genoa, Denmark.
Theatre Square: Really trying to think of something outside of Europe, but we probably are only looking at Italy or Austria.
Holy Site: Burma
Ironclad: Do we have any industrial powers left? South Africa?
Cuirasser: Morocco
Field Cannon: Timurids

Also, pegging Bulgaria to get a unique library.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Field Cannon: Timurids

I'd rather the Mughals get the Zamburak. Just feels more in line with a Gunpowder Empire. In exchange, the Timurids could get the Tumen, a Cavalry Unit that fits in nicely with their Mongol heritage.

 

[Zaarin]

Theatre Square: Really trying to think of something outside of Europe

Korea. Oh, wait, they're already in the game, and it's a Campus replacement. On a more serious note, I'm also struggling to think of a non-European civ who's not already in the game who's a good candidate for this one--some of the better candidates I can think of would be Korea as mentioned or Japan with a Nō Theatre or Vietnam with a Water Puppet Theatre. A Mesoamerican Ball Court could conceivably have been a unique Theatre Square, but Aztecs already have that as an Arena replacer. It would be a bit of a stretch--it really ought to be a unique Holy Site (which we also lack a second version of)--but I suppose one could make the case for a Muskogean civ getting a Stomp Ground as a unique Theatre Square--but again, it would be better as a unique Holy Site. If one is going for a culture-focused Native American civ, a PNW tribe is the obvious choice, but I wouldn't see them as a unique Theatre Square candidate.

 

[ManoftheHour333]

*Replying to my own post*

Commercial Hub: Italy (Could be Venice too)
Theatre Square: Austria
Holy Site: Hawaii (Heiau) (But anything Mexican would be super cool!)
Ironclad: Italy (Makes the most sense as the only post-industrial civ really left)
Cuirasser: Morocco (Berber calvary)
Field Cannon: Timurids (Zamburak-thanks @dukewilliam)

Korea. Oh, wait, they're already in the game, and it's a Campus replacement. On a more serious note, I'm also struggling to think of a non-European civ who's not already in the game who's a good candidate for this one--some of the better candidates I can think of would be Korea as mentioned or Japan with a Nō Theatre or Vietnam with a Water Puppet Theatre. A Mesoamerican Ball Court could conceivably have been a unique Theatre Square, but Aztecs already have that as an Arena replacer. It would be a bit of a stretch--it really ought to be a unique Holy Site (which we also lack a second version of)--but I suppose one could make the case for a Muskogean civ getting a Stomp Ground as a unique Theatre Square--but again, it would be better as a unique Holy Site. If one is going for a culture-focused Native American civ, a PNW tribe is the obvious choice, but I wouldn't see them as a unique Theatre Square candidate.

Very true. I even said Austria when I don't even really want Austria in the game...I mean if they are gonna add in more civs I think Austria and Italy would be the biggest players but at this point giving anything to Europe is extraneous.

The Hawaiian Heiau could be made into a theatre square but it really lends itself better to a holy site...I'm surprised they haven't used it yet to add in Hawaii pretty seamlessly.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Field Cannon: Timurids (Zamburak-thanks @dukewilliam)

The thanks should go to @PhoenicianGold. He suggested it, not me. But thank you anyway.

 

[Zaarin]

Very true. I even said Austria when I don't even really want Austria in the game...

I wouldn't mind Austria if just for Maria Theresa, but another European candidate for a unique TS would be Bohemia. I'm not sure what to call it (any advice, @Kimiimaro?), but Bohemia is famous for its architecture and it seems like a good fit. Plus a War Wagon replacing the Knight would be fun.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I wouldn't mind Austria if just for Maria Theresa, but another European candidate for a unique TS would be Bohemia. I'm not sure what to call it (any advice, @Kimiimaro?), but Bohemia is famous for its architecture and it seems like a good fit. Plus a War Wagon replacing the Knight would be fun.

Hrad is Bohemian for castle or fort, so it could work. Wagenburg is the appropriate term for a War Wagon, though, if it were to replace the Knight, it should require Gunpowder and not Iron. Jan Zizka, Sigismund, and Charles IV are all Bohemian Leaders I can think of that have enough merits to warrant their inclusion in the game.

 

[ManoftheHour333]

Also, pegging Bulgaria to get a unique library.[/QUOTE]


Ooh! So if we'r going to do specialty district buildings there are only three options: Workshop, Shrine, and Library...(Assuming we ignore the monument+granary since those are not really needed to be unique as they're kinda boring early game builds)

 

[Zaarin]

Wagenburg is the appropriate term for a War Wagon, though, if it were to replace the Knight, it should require Gunpowder and not Iron.

Yeah, I know Knights are too early. It could replace the Musketman, but that feels even more awkward.

Jan Zizka, Sigismund, and Charles IV are all Bohemian Leaders I can think of that have enough merits to warrant their inclusion in the game.

Jan Žižka has my vote--to me, Hussitism is a lot of what makes Bohemia such a compelling choice (though the war wagon is already a nod to that). Only downside is his capital would be Tábor rather than Prague--in which case I think Wenceslaus IV gets my backup vote (he tried very hard to keep the peace both between the Hussites and the Catholic Church and among the Hussite factions; I think he was more competent than history generally gives him credit for). Sigismund is just begging to lead Hungary, too, so that's a no from me.

 

[ManoftheHour333]

I wouldn't mind Austria if just for Maria Theresa, but another European candidate for a unique TS would be Bohemia. I'm not sure what to call it (any advice, @Kimiimaro?), but Bohemia is famous for its architecture and it seems like a good fit. Plus a War Wagon replacing the Knight would be fun.

Bohemia is alright...but if we're talking hugely important civs with cool mechanics, Austria would be a better choice. We all know how fun their UA was in Civ V and a civ that uses city states in a cool way in VI apart from Hungary (Go figure) is sorely lacking. I also think that if they are going back to Europe, they'd need at LEAST one female leader...and the last of the Habsburgs is just too famous to pass up. All of this and...I still really want the Hussite cart! XD But I must say that it would be kinda "meh" to get another civ that does culture and diplomacy/city states well when Greece is in the game...twice.


Back on topic...I think Austria could pull something with the coffeehouse or opera traditions of the empire to make a really cool theatre square. Maybe if they had some kind of cultural/ domination victory...almost like a mix of Pericles and Eleanor. Just spitballing but if the TS replacement is in Europe, I still think Austria makes the most sense.

 

[Zaarin]

Bohemia is alright...but if we're talking hugely important civs with cool mechanics, Austria would be a better choice. We all know how fun their UA was in Civ V and a civ that uses city states in a cool way in VI apart from Hungary (Go figure) is sorely lacking. I also think that if they are going back to Europe, they'd need at LEAST one female leader...and the last of the Habsburgs is just too famous to pass up. All of this and...I still really want the Hussite cart! XD But I must say that it would be kinda "meh" to get another civ that does culture and diplomacy/city states well when Greece is in the game...twice.


Back on topic...I think Austria could pull something with the coffeehouse or opera traditions of the empire to make a really cool theatre square. Maybe if they had some kind of cultural/ domination victory...almost like a mix of Pericles and Eleanor. Just spitballing but if the TS replacement is in Europe, I still think Austria makes the most sense.

Indeed. I'd be happy to see Maria Theresa back, but I'd still really love to see Bohemia as a dark horse in Civ7. The Czech lands have a long and fascinating history, and I think Kingdom Come: Deliverance has gotten them some more attention from the general public (I won't deny it was what originally brought Bohemia to my attention).

 

[Aurelesk]

I must admit: I am not really up for the inclusion of Italy. Italy wasn't a thing until very recently, where the idea of a united Italy grew after the quick passage of Napoléon in the area. I could roughly say Italy started with Victor-Emmanuel II... but... this is going to be a controversial thing to say... but... Italy's history since its unification is quite "meh".
So they have to focus more on the part when it was the City-States time. And this is going to be a mess: people want a "Italy" civilization, not a "Venice" or a "Genoa" or "whatever" civilization. If Firaxis are thinking about adding Italy or related civilization in the game, I wonder how they will do it. I have my own crazy idea on how it could happen:

• Add Italy with a rather generic civilization's ability, unique unit and unit infrastructure.
• Add multiples leaders to represent the powerful city-states of the time like:
  • Florence (a Medici one, with a Cultural focus)
  • Milan (a Sforza one, with more a Military focus)
  • Venice (our loved Enrico, with more a Economic focus)
  • Rome/Vatican (with a Pope and a Religious focus).
  • And more: Naples, Genoa...
• It would be also the perfect time to add a new game mode: Leaders and Civilizations Great Switcheroo, where you can play a civilization with any leader you want.

The odd of this to even happens? Almost none. Create 4 full leaders (full animation, voice lines...) for a single civilization just to represent the diversity? At a time where France got 2.5 leaders + Gaul and feels completely unfair? But it would be the perfect time to add that long lost wish to be able to play a civilization with any leader!

Or you could say that since Catherine de Medici and Rome are in the game, Italy is already represented. What? Nobody is okay with this assertion?

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I must admit: I am not really up for the inclusion of Italy. Italy wasn't a thing until very recently, where the idea of a united Italy grew after the quick passage of Napoléon in the area. I could roughly say Italy started with Victor-Emmanuel II... but... this is going to be a controversial thing to say... but... Italy's history since its unification is quite "meh".

Sad but true. The best thing a united Italy is known for is switching sides.

 

[Zaarin]

Sad but true. The best thing a united Italy is known for is switching sides.

And losing tank-to-spear battles in real life.