[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread

[PhoenicianGold]

To be fair, the best candidate civ to have a "peacefully gobble up city-States" is most probably Switzerland, who truly accepted new cantons that wanted to be part of it. The RIsorgimento was more... violent let's say.
And while I know it would never happen, I'd love a Swiss civ. There is so much unique, asymetric, fun elements that we could use: the only true conteporary federative nation as one of the most democratic in their political apparatus, their armed neutrality, their banking system, their use of mountains and skiing, chocolate... Think of everything that could be done! Even get William Tell to be their leader!

Switzerland is probably one of the only smaller nations that give me pause, even under the current "imperial" standard civ candidates seem to be judged by. If any "city-state" has established an economic empire, it would be the Swiss. So the idea of a city-state that could annex other city-states peacefully, plus some way of financially extorting the other civs...and a Swiss Bank UB replacing the Stock Exchange...

I would allow the Swiss. Even before Ireland or Bohemia or Finland I think. Which is shameful in some respect because Western Europe is crammed as it is.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Switzerland is probably one of the only smaller nations that give me pause, even under the current "imperial" standard civ candidates seem to be judged by. If any "city-state" has established an economic empire, it would be the Swiss. So the idea of a city-state that could annex other city-states peacefully, plus some way of financially extorting the other civs...and a Swiss Bank UB replacing the Stock Exchange...

So the Swiss can build a Swiss bank, in addition to a regular bank, which would be the requirement to build a Swiss bank in the first place.
That is the very definition of an economic empire.

 

[berlin88]

For France, the best choices for leader are Charles Martel, Louis XIV, Jean of Arc or deGaulle.

Louis XIV did have the humiliating misfortune of fumbling away New France, but I suppose one can overlook that, since he did help the 13 colonies against the British.

 

[Zaarin]

For France, the best choices for leader are Charles Martel, Louis XIV, Jean of Arc or deGaulle.

Charles Martel led Francia, not France, and if we ever get Francia I think it's safe to say that Charlemagne is far and away the obvious choice. Jean d'Arc never led anything; she didn't even lead the army--she was more like a mascot. Louis XIV is a good "big personality" leader, and I wouldn't mind seeing him return--though TBH Henri IV and Francis I are at the top of my wishlist for France in Civ7. De Gaulle is too modern for my tastes.

 

[Menocchio]

I'm a fierce advocate against Napoleon for France. Sincerely, he did some incredible things, but I see him more as a bloody dictator than a ruler we ought to look upon. Do you know that he's responsible for the fact that French are waaaay more prone to suffer from varicose veins because of him? Varicoses were a reason to be exempted to serve in Napoleonic armies, and so much soldiers died for Napoleon that it completely shift the genetic inheritage of French people. We often talk how Gengis Khan is the father of so much of the population, but Napoleon managed to screw the genes of a whole country.

Moreover, if we ought to have a second leader for France, I'd rather have a republican one rather than another monarchist (even if he's an imperial one). Sure, the Third Republic had her share on the Scramble of Africa, but as much as Victoria, so it's not that bad. Jules Ferry could be a good one, especially a scientific leader for France, to show his school and education reforms quite fundamental for contemporary France. But, look at the wonderful sideburns.

But if we want a militaristic leader for France, Louis XIV could work for both the cultural and militaristic aspect. Sure, he ruined the country... But didn't all kings did that? And Louis IX (Saint Louis) could be used as a military/religious leader, if you really want a militaristic leader. But... Please, not Napoléon (except if his ability is what I thought: make Great Scientists and Great Engineers act as Great Generals too).

Do you have a source for this about varicose veins? I've worked under several Napoleonic and Revolution-era historians and have never once heard this come up. And as far as I am aware, varicose veins - while somewhat hereditary - are mostly resultant from one's lifestyle and age, in addition to being more common in women.

Jules Ferry, in my mind, is no less controversial than Napoleon, and not even for his colonial policies, but for the very reason you recommend him: his education reforms single-handedly caused the near-extinction of the many non-Parisien French languages throughout continental France. From the 1880s to the 1950s, Occitan, Breton, and other languages which together almost made a plurality with standard French in terms of primary usage plummeted, until they even disappeared from household use.

 

[untitledjuan]

1. Haudenosaunee and Navajo/Tlingit or a mesoamerican civ like Purepecha/Zapotecs or A south american native civ like Guarani or Muisca

What about Argentina?

 

[PhoenicianGold]

So the Swiss can build a Swiss bank, in addition to a regular bank, which would be the requirement to build a Swiss bank in the first place.
That is the very definition of an economic empire.

I just want something to replace the Stock Exchange, no matter how nonsensical.

I suppose you could get a Bankveiren CH replacement instead.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

What about Argentina?

Though Argentina would be great, I think we're fine on post-colonial civs and would rather more indigenous ones from the Americas. Even if we get another one I'm not expecting another Spanish speaking one after we just got Gran Colombia. I'd expect something different like Haiti.

I just want something to replace the Stock Exchange, no matter how nonsensical.

I suppose you could get a Bankveiren CH replacement instead.

I was thinking that Casa da India was going to be a Stock Exchange replacement, instead it became an ability.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

What about Argentina?

no more post-colonial american civs pls pls pls

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

though TBH Henri IV and Francis I are at the top of my wishlist for France in Civ7. .

Do you mean the Good and the Large Nose?

no more post-colonial american civs pls pls pls

Maybe we could exclude Gran Colombia from Civ 7 and put Argentina in instead?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Maybe we could exclude Gran Colombia from Civ 7 and put Argentina in instead?

I wouldn't be surprised if we got the Muisca and Argentina instead of Mapuche and Gran Colombia to change things up if they don't increase the number of civs in South America.
Because the Inca.... and Brazil are probably here to stay.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Because the Inca.... and Brazil are probably here to stay.

Long live Dom Satan!

 

[PhoenicianGold]

What about Argentina?

Yeah I don't really get why everyone is still pushing for Argentina when so much of their uniqueness is already covered by the Mapuche and Gran Colombia (malon raiders and llaneros are basically gauchos twice over). The only thing I see Argentina adding to the game would be tango music, and music alone isn't enough to justify it I think.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Yeah I don't really get why everyone is still pushing for Argentina when so much of their uniqueness is already covered by the Mapuche and Gran Colombia. The only thing I see Argentina adding to the game would be tango music, and music alone isn't enough to justify it I think.

Alright, what about Uruguay?

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Alright, what about Uruguay?

I think the Tupi-Guarani spectrum is the only way to go for a fifth South American civ.

But I also think South America is fairly complete as it is and would rather the effort be put into fleshing out North America and Africa.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I think the Tupi-Guarani spectrum is the only way to go for a fifth South American civ.

But I also think South America is fairly complete as it is and would rather the effort be put into fleshing out North America and Africa.

True. We have the vast space of nothingness of Central and West North America, and North Africa, Central Africa-Okay, most of Africa is missing, including Madagascar.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Long live Dom Satan!

If they bring back agendas hopefully in Civ 7 he likes people that recruit Great People like him.

Or they just make him different and give him something to do with the Fatherland Volunteers.

Yeah I don't really get why everyone is still pushing for Argentina when so much of their uniqueness is already covered by the Mapuche and Gran Colombia (malon raiders and llaneros are basically gauchos twice over). The only thing I see Argentina adding to the game would be tango music, and music alone isn't enough to justify it I think.

That's my sentiments as well along with Gran Colombia getting the generic hacienda improvement, which to me is representative of all Spanish speaking Latin American countries.
I was always expecting/hoping one of them would come, but not both.

 

[Zaarin]

Do you mean the Good and the Large Nose?

Are you allowed to be king of France without a large nose?

If they bring back agendas hopefully in Civ 7 he likes people that recruit Great People like him.

Hopefully they just give him horns and a tail next time to make his intended role more obvious.

 

[PhoenicianGold]

That's my sentiments as well along with Gran Colombia getting the generic hacienda improvement, which to me is representative of all Spanish speaking Latin American countries.
I was always expecting/hoping one of them would come, but not both.

And in all fairness, Simon-Bolivar-the-civ is the quintessential Spanish colonial civ which speaks for all Latin American independence.

I think VII would have to shift focus away from empires and toward cultures for the Muisca and Argentina to make sense in lieu of GC and the Mapuche. As far as I see it, both of those are just stronger choices under the current "meritocracy."

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Hopefully they just give him horns and a tail next time to make his intended role more obvious.

Don't forget the clothes-on-fire.