Ryansinbela
Emperor
I kid you not the OST was the hardest thing to choose which a large amount of unspecific songs and cultures with a Lack of a known song (Philistines, Dacia, Palmyra, etc)
[NFP] Civilization VI: Possible New Civilizations Thread
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"Siúil a Rúin," "She Moved thro' the Fair," "Be Thou My Vision/Bí Thusa Mo Shúile" are all good candidates. Please no to "Danny Boy"; "Scarborough Fair" doesn't need the competition for "most tedious theme song."Speaking of Ireland, the biggest question is which Irish song is going to serve as the Irish soundtrack (Imagine if it was an Irish rebel song)
For something more upbeat, and especially if the leader is Gráinne Ní Mháille (Grace O'Malley), I'd suggest "Óró Sé do Bheatha Bhaile."
Ryansinbela
Emperor
I just changed my pick, you should help me with the rest of the songs, Zaarin
Thenewwwguy
Deity
Makes sense that Armagh itself doesn’t have the harp since that’s associated with Dublin and Meath specifically and became the Irish national symbol when they were united at that time.
Ireland should reasonably have blue and gold colors with a harp symbol, but they could go with Orange and Green for more cringy pop culture stuff
tbf, i did suggest having both the monastery and the pub
Of course, the Gallowglass is what I’d pick for the UU
Ryansinbela
Emperor
Thanks for the suggestion although I substituted Gold for yellow because my reference doesn’t have gold
Thenewwwguy
Deity
Speaking of Ireland, the biggest question is which Irish song is going to serve as the Irish soundtrack (Imagine if it was an Irish rebel song
Instrumentals of Kinky Boots and Ye Black and Tans or I riot
I think I did an Irish Mock-up in here a long time ago but it’s been a while and I’ll try again
Ireland - Brian Boru
UA: Emerald Isle: Great Works of Writing and Music provide +2 science and +1 culture. Cities with base Neutral or Negative Loyalty gain +1 loyalty for each district and Great Work they have.
UI: Monastery: Replaces Holy Site (but uses Armagh Monastery assets with modifications). Contains Space for 1 Great Works of Writing. Must be built on Coast, Strong Adjacency for Cliffs.
UU: Fili: Unique civilian unit capable of producing 1 Great Work of Writing or Music (Various Irish folk songs). Each work of writing or music provides +1 culture, +1 faith, +1 science. Only 1 Fili can be produced per City center or Theatre Square built. Requires Amphitheater.
LUA: Legacy of Clontarf: Damage done to Cities owned by other Nations on a continent which Ireland occupies is +5. Grants Pub and Gallowglass
LUU: Gallowglass: +5 damage against cities in wars started by the opponent
LUI: Pub: 1 slot for a Great Work of Music. +1 amenity. Replaces Arena.
might be slightly overpowered but that’s the fun of it all
With the jersey system all four can be used. I could possibly see orange and green be used for the default only because it's a color scheme that to my knowledge hasn't been used yet. Of course there is probably a reason why that's the case.
Duke William of Normandy
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Might as well add my Ireland idea to a more general forum.
Brian Boru of the Irish Empire
Michael Collins of the Irish Empire
Civilization Ability: Saints and Scholars
Holy Sites and Theatre Squares provide +1 Great Person Point that adjacent Specialty Districts generate, +2 if their City follows Ireland’s Religion.*
Great Works of Writing provide Faith equal to their Culture Output if their City has two Abbeys.
Unique Unit: Kern
Irish Unique Medieval Era Recon Unit that replaces the Skirmisher.
+3 Combat Strength for every adjacent Enemy Unit.
Production Cost: 150
Gold Cost: 600
Gold Maintenance: 3
Movement Points: 3
Combat Strength: 32
Ranged Strength: 25
Range: 2
Sight Range: 2
Unique Infrastructure: Abbey
Irish Unique Improvement unlocked with Theology.
Cannot be built adjacent to another Abbey.
+3 Faith
+1 Food
+2 Housing
+1 Faith(with Reformed Church)
+1 Food(with Colonialism)
+1 Housing for every 2 adjacent Farms
+1 Faith if adjacent to a Holy Site, as well as providing Friendly Religious Units in this City +10 HP per turn
+2 Tourism(with Flight)
*+1 Great Scientist Point if adjacent to a Campus, etc.
Capitals:
(Boru) - Cork
(Collins) - Dublin
Religions:
Brian Boru - Catholicism
Michael Collins - Protestantism/Anglicanism
Theme:
Oro se do Bheatha Bhaile
Brian Boru of the Irish Empire
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Michael Collins of the Irish Empire
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Civilization Ability: Saints and Scholars
Holy Sites and Theatre Squares provide +1 Great Person Point that adjacent Specialty Districts generate, +2 if their City follows Ireland’s Religion.*
Great Works of Writing provide Faith equal to their Culture Output if their City has two Abbeys.
Unique Unit: Kern
Irish Unique Medieval Era Recon Unit that replaces the Skirmisher.
+3 Combat Strength for every adjacent Enemy Unit.
Production Cost: 150
Gold Cost: 600
Gold Maintenance: 3
Movement Points: 3
Combat Strength: 32
Ranged Strength: 25
Range: 2
Sight Range: 2
Unique Infrastructure: Abbey
Irish Unique Improvement unlocked with Theology.
Cannot be built adjacent to another Abbey.
+3 Faith
+1 Food
+2 Housing
+1 Faith(with Reformed Church)
+1 Food(with Colonialism)
+1 Housing for every 2 adjacent Farms
+1 Faith if adjacent to a Holy Site, as well as providing Friendly Religious Units in this City +10 HP per turn
+2 Tourism(with Flight)
*+1 Great Scientist Point if adjacent to a Campus, etc.
Capitals:
(Boru) - Cork
(Collins) - Dublin
Religions:
Brian Boru - Catholicism
Michael Collins - Protestantism/Anglicanism
Theme:
Oro se do Bheatha Bhaile
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untitledjuan
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"Siúil a Rúin," "She Moved thro' the Fair," "Be Thou My Vision/Bí Thusa Mo Shúile" are all good candidates. Please no to "Danny Boy"; "Scarborough Fair" doesn't need the competition for "most tedious theme song."
Scarborough Fair is awesome haha. Seeing all that has been said of Ireland, I do think that Ireland was a way better option for a "Celtic" civ than Scotland is.
It's a lovely song. Knorr's arrangement, however, is absurdly tedious--quite possibly my least favorite arrangement in the game short of Australia and Kongo. "Danny Boy," by contrast, is tedious by its very nature.
Ryansinbela
Emperor
Guess my suggestions are canon now
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The big reason I think that if we were to get a new NA civ it would be PNW is that I can't have Pueblo, and in my opinion its Pueblo or nothing for a southwestern native American civ. Anyways, I even made a theoretical Pueblo civ concept.
Leader: Po'pay
UA- Adobe Architecture- Farms provide +1 appeal but no housing, this bonus doesn’t not stack, +1 production and faith per population in cities with governors.
LA- Kachina +1 diplo favor for every city state or civilization that doesn’t follow your religion on your home continent, relics provide +1 diplomatic favor, +2 food. Gain the Kiva unique building.
UI- Pueblo (Neighborhood Replacement)- Automatically builds farms on all nonimproved land non-natural wonder tiles, provides food and tourism equal to housing, +5% food in the city.
UI- Kiva (shrine replacement)- one slot for a relic. +1 influence from adjacent farms or unimproved tiles, doubled for breathtaking tiles, provides tourism equal to influence at flight.
UU- Anasazi Raider (Skirmisher replacement)- Cheaper to produce, but weaker. +5 combat strength against civilizations that don’t follow your religion, a has a chance to produce a relic on death (33%)
Leader Agenda- Tries to build lots of farms and generate diplo favor. Dislikes Civs who spread their religion, especially those who do it through war.
Leader: Po'pay
UA- Adobe Architecture- Farms provide +1 appeal but no housing, this bonus doesn’t not stack, +1 production and faith per population in cities with governors.
LA- Kachina +1 diplo favor for every city state or civilization that doesn’t follow your religion on your home continent, relics provide +1 diplomatic favor, +2 food. Gain the Kiva unique building.
UI- Pueblo (Neighborhood Replacement)- Automatically builds farms on all nonimproved land non-natural wonder tiles, provides food and tourism equal to housing, +5% food in the city.
UI- Kiva (shrine replacement)- one slot for a relic. +1 influence from adjacent farms or unimproved tiles, doubled for breathtaking tiles, provides tourism equal to influence at flight.
UU- Anasazi Raider (Skirmisher replacement)- Cheaper to produce, but weaker. +5 combat strength against civilizations that don’t follow your religion, a has a chance to produce a relic on death (33%)
Leader Agenda- Tries to build lots of farms and generate diplo favor. Dislikes Civs who spread their religion, especially those who do it through war.
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GenyaArikado
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Idgaff about the other island history, i want Elizabeth. We have Genghis, we have Alexander, we have Gandhi, we have Shaka. She's the only missing one.
We shouldnt even have more British Islands civs but i'll gladly take one more as a tool towards an end.
Thenewwwguy
Deity
why can’t we have the Dine/Navajo (the Pueblo can’t be included due to their language. It’s considered divine and non-Pueblo shouldn’t hear it in a non-religious context, so they can’t be in Civ, which is why they were cut from Civ 5 and replaced with the Shoshone) and a PNW nation like the Tlingit, Salish or Haida? they occupy completely different geographic regions, further apart than the Cree and Canada, or even Canada and US.
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Yeah I know, but I really want the Pueblo and the Navajo were just Hunter gatherers before contact with the Pueblo, and I don't really want a Pueblo but not civ.
Considering the Pueblo are a no go, the Navajo is the best bet to be something similar, unless they give us another horse raider civ like the Apache or Comanche.
ManoftheHour333
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I was pressing for the Navajo too originally but I was thinking about it and I feel like another desert civ with a probable calvary UU would make any further Berber representation even tougher/ more niche. Some real creativity regarding the Navajo nomadic lifestyle would be cool (Maybe the ability to move 1 population per turn between cities?) but a straight desert Navajo like many are imagining wouldn't fit well IMO.
So after thinking about it further I think that an Iroquois civ and a Pacific NW civ (Tlingit/Haida) would be the most fun for gameplay diversities' sake. Both of these civs also have less of a "horse-raider" vibe so it'd conflict less with Mapuche as well.
Tlingit would be a trade civ that could gain gold from unimproved resources, and perhaps receive the adjacency bonuses of any river-adjacent district in food (To reference the vital salmon rush). Add in some metric to increase trade route capacity (+1 from each economic or diplomatic policy slot?) and I think it'd be pretty rad. No idea on the UU yet but a unique totem pole that replaces the monument (Could also be a UI but...we've got a lot of those already) that provides early faith and does something else would be real nice.
I think Iroquois should DEFINITELY be a diplomatic civ and get some bonuses to earning envoys...in general these guys should interact with city-states in a unique way and have ways to generate diplomatic favor like crazy as we don't have a civ that does that too exclusively. Maybe also give them some interesting government bonuses as well...longhouse would be a decent granary replacement but I could also see it as a secondary unique neighborhood (If they want to keep trying to make us build neighborhoods lol)
Navajo, Iroquois, and the Tlingit are definitely my top 3 choices for another Native American civ.
Instead of a cavalry UU for the Navajo I'd like a Code Talker UU.
Thenewwwguy
Deity
If the Haudenosaunee come into Civ they better use that diplomatic orientation towards war making, cuz historically that’s what they did. In the colonial era they played the French, British and Americans against each other. In both the colonial and pre-colonial eras they were highly warlike against their neighbors, incorporating them, subordinating them or wiping them out.
The Haudenosaunee were extremely skilled at using all of diplomacy, war and trade to maintain their political importance.
I do not think the Navajo need cavalry. They could have a code talker, or various other forms of UU. Even if they did have a cavalry unit, they don’t need that unit to make them a horse raiding civ, because chances are they wouldn’t step on the Mapuche’s toes at all. I would imagine the Navajo would be fairly focused on internal affairs and be oriented to defensive war, internal growth, and cultural victory, almost like a cultural maya
This. The Haudenosaunee went on a blitzkrieg as soon as they gained access to firearms, depopulating entire tribes through death or adoption--often with long-lasting consequences such as pushing the Sioux out of the Great Lakes and onto the Plains.
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