pre-release info Civilization VII - Content Spreadsheet Thread - Civ overview!

[Wohlauf]

Meiji is a confluence of Sino-Japanese civilisation and Western civilisation (or more precisely, the starting point of complete replacement of the local culture with a dressed up Western one).
Depending on how you interpret the historical successor it could be seen as a successor of the Normans, Spanish and Ming (representing the influences that shaped Edo and Meiji, and assuming no Japanese Exploration era culture despite the tenshu building model). Whereas Mongols have absolutely nothing to do with Meiji. No cultural ties, no population ties, even the Meiji imperialism never managed (or sought to, excluding Khalkhin Gol) to conquer the Mongolians.

I certianly don't think Ming will be the default. Having 2 eras of China become Japan by default would be cause for significant backlash from Chinese players. If we extrapolate the Norman and Songhai unlock screens, each civ is unlocked by 2 civs in the previous age. For that to make sense with an equal number of civs per age, each civ would also need to unlock 2 civs in the next age. If meiji was one of 2 unlocks for Ming, I think that would perfectly fine. But that still leaves another civ that unlocks Meiji. And if this pattern doesn't apply here, there's still a civ that I really don't think is Ming (or Spain or Normandy) that will unlock Meiji. If "same continent" is a good enough reason for Egypt-Songhai-Buganda, then I think 2 defeated Mongol invasions by Japan is good enough to at least consider Mongols-Meiji Japan.

 

[JNR13]

Indonesia or Hawaii could also be a candidate. Not sure that would exactly be better symbolism than Ming though. The exploration era is quite heavy on Asia but then the modern era presumably more to the west. I'm not sure the "two in, two out" connections rule can be kept up there.

 

[notNamed]

I certianly don't think Ming will be the default. Having 2 eras of China become Japan by default would be cause for significant backlash from Chinese players.

But China has the very obvious Han -> Ming -> (per the Chinese leaker who got everything else right) Qing as the default pathway for the AI and roleplayers.
No one's forcing those to turn into Japan in any age.

 

[Wohlauf]

But China has the very obvious Han -> Ming -> (per the Chinese leaker who got everything else right) Qing as the default pathway for the AI and roleplayers.
No one's forcing those to turn into Japan in any age.

That's ignoring my larger point. You feel rather strongly about my suggestion of Mongols, so is there any civ(s) you feel is better suited to transition into Japan with the info we have?

 

[Inhalaattori]

When has Britain been confirmed? I have not seen any clear confirmation that they are in the base game.

Also Inca and Majapahit/Indonesia are 99,9% confirmed based on what we have seen/heard.

 

[marius_kaparius]

According to this model what leads into Germany?

 

[uppi]

According to this model what leads into Germany?

None, which is why I don't think they're in

 

[Ryansinbela]

When has Britain been confirmed? I have not seen any clear confirmation that they are in the base game.

Also Inca and Majapahit/Indonesia are 99,9% confirmed based on what we have seen/heard.

I think they got mentioned in an interview

 

[Siptah]

According to this model what leads into Germany?

My guess: crossroads of the world DLC adds the Goths, Right to Rule DLC adds HRE and Germany.

 

[Giskler]

When has Britain been confirmed? I have not seen any clear confirmation that they are in the base game.

Also Inca and Majapahit/Indonesia are 99,9% confirmed based on what we have seen/heard.

Britain has not been confirmed, it has just been mentioned by Ed Beach multiple times as an example of how the age change mechanic works; Rome -> Normans -> Britain. Also his frequent usage of the changing history of London (Roman, Norman, British) as his inspiration for the age change mechanic.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Britain has not been confirmed, it has just been mentioned by Ed Beach multiple times as an example of how the age change mechanic works; Rome -> Normans -> Britain. Also his frequent usage of the changing history of London (Roman, Norman, British) as his inspiration for the age change mechanic.

This argument is the strongest possible one for Britain's without pictorial evidence. Ed wouldn't have a complete nerdgasm about London and use its evolution as justification for the Ages mechanic, only to not include a London-centric Civ in all three Ages.

Oh and I think Germany are in. If anyone misses out, it will be Mexico.

 

[chaosprophet]

Oh and I think Germany are in. If anyone misses out, it will be Mexico.

The lack of a good path for Germany from what we know of Exploration and to not have too much Europe on the limited numbers we have per age on launch, It makes me think Germany will be left to one of the two collections included in the Deluxe or Founder editions. That way you give Germany a good path and have it in close to release.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

There's also been sightings of a Latin American architecture style, no? Even if we don't get Mexico, some civ's got to use it. I know that this isn't as concrete, but I'm also thinking that it would be a good spot for Spain and whatever Central/South American civ we're getting (I know Inca is basically confirmed, let me hope) to end up in the Modern Age. Though when it's entirely possible that there's no Safavid or Ottoman and the entire Middle East is going to Buganda...

 

[Xandinho]

Oh and I think Germany are in. If anyone misses out, it will be Mexico.

Architecture from a Latin country can be seen around the Mexican theater. This basically gives almost 100% certainty that Mexico or another Latin country is in base game. Furthermore, they seem to be creating a complete historical path for each continent, having a representative from the region in each era. I believe that Mexico being in is much more likely than having four European nations in the Modern Age, deviating quite a bit from the apparent pattern of previous eras of having two in each era.

By the way, hasn't the Panzer been seen somewhere? If it is the Panzer, then I believe the Russians or the British are out. Although I still find it intriguing that there is no coherent historical path for the Germans.

Edit. I admit I'm quite biased towards preferring the Russians in the base game. I'm a big fan of Russian history and culture. But maybe recent events are holding back their inclusion? I don't know.

 

[notNamed]

By the way, hasn't the Panzer been seen somewhere? If it is the Panzer, then I believe the Russians or the British are out. Although I still find it intriguing that there is no coherent historical path for the Germans.

We've seen Meiji using Panzer 4s and two unknown powers using GIs/ACW ironclads/Shermans with another player using T-34-85s.
So the whole famous WW2 tank trifecta is there.

 

[Mudokon Pop]

I definitely think the Inca are confirmed by the trailer. During the Pax Australia stream one of the devs mentioned how they weren't sure if they had enough time to do both Persian and Indian city art which suggests the dev team was stretched thin by their workload.

Seeing unique city art for the Inca certainly confirms (to me) that they are in the game.

 

[brainwashh]

Why are people saying Hawaii is Exploration? If anything I thought the presence of Haʻamonga ʻa Maui implied Tonga as exploration and Hawaii as Modern. If any Polynesian civ should be Modern, it's Hawaii, no?

 

[Xandinho]

Why are people saying Hawaii is Exploration? If anything I thought the presence of Haʻamonga ʻa Maui implied Tonga as exploration and Hawaii as Modern. If any Polynesian civ should be Modern, it's Hawaii, no?

It seems that Haʻamonga ʻa Maui was seen as an Antiquity wonder. While it seems that Tonga will not be in the base game, the inclusion of its wonder strongly suggests that it will be included later. And Maori also works as a Modern Oceanian civ, but I agree that Hawaii would work much better.

 

[moondog385]

@Rac Your chart is so aesthetically pleasing. Great choice of colors. Always look forward to the update whenever a new civ is confirmed.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

The more i see, the more likely I think it is that there's some sort of Ideology system in the Modern Age, and that the look of late game units will depend on that. Three types of tanks that match up with the three ideology/modern government choices in V and VI. Of course, it's far from conclusive, Meiji Japan could just have early 20th century German tanks because Japan fought with them in WWII, but it's something to consider when unit appearance is in consideration as evidence.