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It seems that Haʻamonga ʻa Maui was seen as an Antiquity wonder. While it seems that Tonga will not be in the base game, the inclusion of its wonder strongly suggests that it will be included later. And Maori also works as a Modern Oceanian civ, but I agree that Hawaii would work much better.
Hawaii probably also works as an Exploration Age civ because they want to do Hawaii>America. There most likely won't be a New Zealand for Maori to go into so they could easily be Modern.
Other factors are that the Maori were the last of the Polynesians to discover their islands and they are the largest population group today.
I expect America to be unlocked by any exploration civ that settles a certain number of towns outside of their starting continent. Although it could also have regional / historical unlock(s), too.
The more i see, the more likely I think it is that there's some sort of Ideology system in the Modern Age, and that the look of late game units will depend on that. Three types of tanks that match up with the three ideology/modern government choices in V and VI. Of course, it's far from conclusive, Meiji Japan could just have early 20th century German tanks because Japan fought with them in WWII, but it's something to consider when unit appearance is in consideration as evidence.
Ideologically dependant units is a rather cool concept, I just don't think we have enough info to make that conclusion. Japan uses panzers but also a modified Sherman with an artillery cannon. In one of the screenshots on the steam page, we can see 2 nations fighting with t34s and Shermans, but both use lvt-4s as mechanized infantry (light cavalry unit maybe?). I don't think Firaxis would make a mechanic that, as far as we've seen, only affects one upgrade of a single unit type.
I think the tank appearance is civ dependant. The unique leader colors make it easy to see (except for the Pz 4 that I can't see any on) that each nation appears to only have one type. The T34s below have a blue stripe around the turret and the Shermans have green chevrons. I think it's safe to say that the green civ only has Shermans and the blue civ (which I think is Russia, look at that red star on the turret) only has T34s.
Again it's possible that these appearances are the result of something other than civ choice, but I they aren't random.
I'm getting "Poundmaker" from those colors, although they might be reversed, and obviously the Cree aren't in the game.
Could be Portugal/Brazil's new colors if Ethiopia (based on the Aksum colors on Twitter) is now yellow-on-green. Green is fairly prominent in both flags, and blue to a lesser extent.
A lot of regional Brazilian flags also feature the blue/green/yellow motif. Also Venezuela, but I think that would just be covered by Gran Colombia (blue and yellow) again. And sorry Philippines, but I just don't see it in the cards for them, at least at launch.
Nah, the blue is too bright to count as Poundmaker colours. It is however the shade of blue that France had in Civ5 and Civ6, so it might be one of Napoleon's two personas.
Which if true suggests two things: 1) Napoleon can form Russia in Age 3 (if the Tank is indeed the regional russian Tank), or (2) the tank we see in the screenshot is the European variation of the tank, seen with Napoleon leading France or his second historical choice.
If we take that hypothesis further, it also suggests that the Sherman-looking tank might be the American variation of the Tank or an American UU replacing the tank.
Which in turn suggests that these are controlled by either America (if a UU) or Mexico (if they're in + if a regional skin) and that whichever leader has the lush green colour is very likely to have at least either America or Mexico as a historic choice.
and we KNOW that if this entire hypothesis is true, that mystery leader cannot be Tecumseh (brown) or Franklin (dark red). Meaning that we could have a third leader from the America's, either from Meso-America or South America.
Nah, the blue is too bright to count as Poundmaker colours. It is however the shade of blue that France had in Civ5 and Civ6, so it might be one of Napoleon's two personas.
Which if true suggests two things: 1) Napoleon can form Russia in Age 3 (if the Tank is indeed the regional russian Tank), or (2) the tank we see in the screenshot is the European variation of the tank, seen with Napoleon leading France or his second historical choice.
If we take that hypothesis further, it also suggests that the Sherman-looking tank might be the American variation of the Tank or an American UU replacing the tank.
Which in turn suggests that these are controlled by either America (if a UU) or Mexico (if they're in + if a regional skin) and that whichever leader has the lush green colour is very likely to have at least either America or Mexico as a historic choice.
and we KNOW that if this entire hypothesis is true, that mystery leader cannot be Tecumseh (brown) or Franklin (dark red). Meaning that we could have a third leader from the America's, either from Meso-America or South America.
One thing we do seem to have solid evidence of via Hatshepsut is that the jersey system is likely back in full force. We have seen her not only lead emerald-on-sand and sand-on-emerald, but also brown-on-sand. So guessing leaders based on colors, although not totally fruitless, isn't a guaranteed system given that we do not know whether what is displayed is their primary/preferred jersey.
I suppose this could be a Napoleon alt, but blue/green seems a really odd choice to me. I'm curious if there is any historical basis for adding the green to a French leader's jersey picks.
Again, I think Brazil is perhaps the most likely candidate if we are taking colors absolutely literally. And as a close second, given the shared Algonquin heritage and very plains/rivers vibe of the Tecumseh civs, I could see blue/green being one of his prioritized jersey alts as kind of a throw-back to the Cree colors.
As far as Mesoamerican options go, although I think our odds of a Mexican, Gran Colombian, and/or Mayan leader are very solid, I do not think the colors really evoke any of those. We have already seen the Mayan leader's colors on the Shawnee units, so likely not that. Gran Colombia would probably go with yellow/blue again and wouldn't use green. And Mexico would probably use red/white/green and likely wouldn't use blue it its preferred palette. I don't even think these colors evoke Aztec, Muisca, Inca, really any of our likely options in Mesoamerica.
One thing we do seem to have solid evidence of via Hatshepsut is that the jersey system is likely back in full force. We have seen her not only lead emerald-on-sand and sand-on-emerald, but also brown-on-sand. So guessing leaders based on colors, although not totally fruitless, isn't a guaranteed system given that we do not know whether what is displayed is their primary/preferred jersey.
I think they’ve just been trying out different pallets, since it’s been confirmed we won’t have jerseys on launch in a Reddit Q&A. I’ll go find the source to confirm.
EDIT: searched through the comments of both CMs and didn’t find anything. May have been from somewhere else? I’ll keep looking, and sorry if I misremembered.
I think they’ve just been trying out different pallets, since it’s been confirmed we won’t have jerseys on launch in a Reddit Q&A. I’ll go find the source to confirm.
That's possible as well. However, depending on how many leaders we get (at launch, or down the line, doesn't really matter), I do expect that they may need to bring the jersey system back anyway. The colors are actually a bit more restrictive now than they were in VI, because only the background color is used for the building fabrics. Meaning that already with only five officially revealed leaders we can see that Augustus versus Ashoka presents a jersey problem, as they both use the same default shade of dark purple as their "field" color.
Ok so today's update, Abbasids had their wonder confirmed as the House of Wisdom, and we have an new IP (from the resources short) that uses Syvash as their settlement name... I have no idea who could be yet, in the meanwhile I'll let it as "Crimea" until we figured it out. Another detail I forgot to add last time, we had speculation that the Hawaii wonder would be the Kamakahonu, but yeah speculation. The first post got updated with it.
We're already moving into the Exploration Age, and I believe the main features of the Antiquity have been revealed. My theory, based purely on speculation, is that Persia may not be fully complete yet, or they are still deciding whether to include it in the base game or in one of the DLCs.
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