Civilization VII Dev Diary #7: Legends & Mementos

[Sadberlin]

Pages of other languages on official website seems to be lost, except for Traditional Chinese

 

[Krikkit1]

For the first part of the text I genuinely hated what I'm reading, but with the last bit it got down to "strong dislike". With only 2 mementos you could use at the same time it's easy to unlock a couple of basic ones and forget about the system for good.

Best encapsualtion of my feeling... civ games take a long time... hopefully this is one of those where you would get ~ a level or 2 each full game

Do I see this correctly that you don't need to level up both personas on a leader? There's only one Ashoka in the screen with the leader paths.

They also don't have Napoleon (a DLC)... Ashoka's other persona is a DLC... I'm hoping you are correct, but fear you may not be.


Also this means the Leaders are not just
Voice Actor+3D Animation
+ Base Ability+Agenda Ability+Bias
but also a whole List of bonuses and ways to earn them

So the Art department isn't the only one to work at a new Leader.

 

[Siptah]

This sounds really fun, although could definitely be used to end up with some really powerful civ + leader + 2x memento synergies.

It's an additional indicator that balance, aside from maybe the civs within an age, isn't a high concern. At least, mementos can be disabled for MP.

 

[FXS_Sar]

Pages of other languages on official website seems to be lost, except for Traditional Chinese

Other localizations are incoming - bear with us!

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I'm more or less nonplussed about this system. I'm glad that it's optional.

 

[uppi]

Do I see this correctly that you don't need to level up both personas on a leader? There's only one Ashoka in the screen with the leader paths.

It looks like base game with no optional components enabled. For example, there is no Napoleon. And there does not seem to be a way to select the other Ashoka persona in the leader select screen (If it was available, there should be a button somewhere). So I don't think we can conclude that.

 

[AriochIV]

Online profile bling and the like doesn't have much meaning in a predominantly single-player game.

 

[tedhebert]

Wow... that's a real nice surprise, they kept it pretty well under the hood even if we had inklings of.... something !

I really like it...The part about legends and cosmetics I couldn't care less about, but the part about maintaining an extensive log of game played (at least is seems like that to me) is really appealing to me...

And the Mementos are cool... I'm really happy they created that, made them of rather low impact on the overall playing experience (or so it seems) and took extra care of not creating a whirlpool of rumors about microtransactions !

kudos FXS, I'm really happily surprised this morning

 

[uppi]

Thanks god! That means its not Gandhi!

Could still be Gandhi instead of Frederick

 

[Siptah]

It looks like base game with no optional components enabled. For example, there is no Napoleon. And there does not seem to be a way to select the other Ashoka persona in the leader select screen (If it was available, there should be a button somewhere). So I don't think we can conclude that.

Yes, I'm with you on that. On the other hand: I assume the persona will get the same quests and such, thus some overlap in challenges. Does it have sense to it that you need to do the same stuff with Napoleon twice? Or do you expect different non-quest related challenges for personas? Not that it's impossible that Revolutionary Napoleon and Emperor Napoleon have different challenges, there's enough about the man to make up challenges, and you can have more than enough unrelated ones anyway. But does anyone think we need this? Regardless of whether the whole system is needed or a good addition, I doubt it. It's seem really unnecessary busywork to have you level up personas.

Edit: clarified below that personas have their own, different path.

Different question: can the AI use mementos? If so, only the ones that you have unlocked?

 

[Xyael]

I dislike it a bit. It breaks the virtual equality between players based on how much time they spent unlocking certain achievements. I see it a bit like a cheat mode (which can fortunately be disabled). I hope for the moment that it will not be very popular in MP except perhaps for exceptional events.

In reality, I would have almost preferred that this Legends system also have momento that give penalties. To have fun playing more difficult games according to certain specific conditions.

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

Off the top of my head, names of potential Leaders alphabetically between Isabella & Lafayette:

Jacob Grimm
James I
James Madison
Jan Hus
Jaqueline Kennedy
John Calvin
John F. Kennedy
John Henry Newman
Josephus
Judas Maccabaeus
Julian the Apostate

More to come…

 

[Siptah]

Off the top of my head, names of potential Leaders alphabetically between Isabella & Lafayette:

Jacob Grimm
James I
James Madison
Jan Hus
Jaqueline Kennedy
John Calvin
John F. Kennedy
Josephus
Judas Maccabaeus

More to come…

None of them is French though, so they all seem unlikely

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

None of them is French though, so they all seem unlikely

Jeanne D'Arc

 

[Archanist]

None of them is French though, so they all seem unlikely

Jose Rizal fits, he dated Nellie Boustead, who was French

 

[Mr Jon of Cheam]

In reality, I would have almost preferred that this Legends system also have momento that give penalties. To have fun playing more difficult games according to certain specific conditions.

I like this idea.

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

I've enjoyed playing games where you have a campaign over several maps and earn new abilities. Those are just one-day experiences. So I could really like this.

For MP there should be default Momentos if you don't have any.

For the Forums when someone mentions how fast the won the should mention what moments they have.

 

[Eramas]

I don't mind it, might be nice to use when you play the same leader for a fifth time and want to spice things up. I'm glad it's optional, though.

 

[uppi]

And one more between Ib and Is La. Cant think of any atm

Going through the leader lists of Civ 4-6, it could be:
Jadwiga
Javayarman
Joao
John Curtin
Julius Caesar
Justinian
Kamehameha
Kristina
Kublai Khan
Kupe
Lady Six Sky

Of these, only John Curtin and Kamehameha could be described as Modern in any way. I don't think it is going to be John Curtain, so either Kamehameha or someone completely new.

 

[Acken]

For Cosmetic Collectibles – no, we aren't talking about letting your leaders wear a variety of funny hats.

Sad. Would have been more exciting.