Clown Car 2016

[onejayhawk]

Too bad the borders weren't secured in 1974.

That makes sense. One thing the conservatives have right is that borders need to be enforced.

Water has one of the highest transportation costs to market price of any commodity. Probably the highest.

If you mean the transport cost to market price ratio, that would be correct. This is because water is essentially free in many places. Filtration costs are more than the water itself

As Farmboy says, the problem is the desert. Many people think they need to take available water from the farms and ranches. Water rights have vested. They cannot be divested without compensation, which may be higher than the cost of the surface real estate.

J

 

[JollyRoger]

That makes sense. One thing the conservatives have right is that borders need to be enforced.

J

They should be supportive of Obama then . . . record number of deportations.

 

[Commodore]

They should be supportive of Obama then . . . record number of deportations.

But the conservatives will twist that stat around by saying those people shouldn't have been here to deport in the first place and blame Obama for letting them in. I think we all know by now conservatives will say or do just about anything to avoid supporting anything Obama wants.

 

[JollyRoger]

Too be fair, the relative lax deportation efforts of the previous administration gave Obama administration a bigger illegal base to work with.

 

[Commodore]

Too be fair, the relative lax deportation efforts of the previous administration gave Obama administration a bigger illegal base to work with.

Didn't you get the memo? The US didn't have any problems at all and was a perfect utopia of freedom for all before Obama came along and ruined everything. Literally every single problem in the US can be traced back to Obama.

The above is obviously said in jest, but it really does disturb me sometimes just how much conservatives try to blame on Obama. Ever since Obama won his second term I have had exhausting arguments with conservatives in real life and on the internet who were seriously trying to pin the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on Obama. Not for how the wars were currently being handled mind you, no they were blaming Obama for starting the wars in the first place. Not to mention they also think the corporate bailouts in 2008 were Obama's doing as well.

If such blatant ignorance is representative of the general conservative movement in the US, then it becomes quite easy to see how lunatics like Cruz and Santorum can rise to prominence within their party.

 

[Cutlass]

"The whole world is on fire."
-- Sen. Ted Cruz, during a stump speech in New Hampshire

"The world is on fire?"
-- Three-year-old Julie Trant, sitting on her mother's lap

"The world is on fire, yes. Your world is on fire."
-- Cruz

 

[Kaitzilla]

I thought it was cute.

“The Obama economy is a disaster, Obamacare is a train wreck and the Obama-Clinton foreign policy of leading from behind — the whole world is on fire,” Cruz said.

“The world is on fire?” the girl, later identified as Julia, asked the Texas Republican, according to the Concord (N.H.) Monitor.

“The world is on fire, yes,” Cruz said, turning to the girl. “Your world is on fire."


The exchange drew laughs from the crowd.

"But you know what?" Cruz continued. "Your mommy’s here and everyone’s here to make sure that the world you grow up in is even better."

Link to video.

 

[onejayhawk]

"The whole world is on fire."
-- Sen. Ted Cruz, during a stump speech in New Hampshire

"The world is on fire?"
-- Three-year-old Julie Trant, sitting on her mother's lap

"The world is on fire, yes. Your world is on fire."
-- Cruz

Nice misquote. Very smooth.

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Nice misquote. Very smooth.

J

Thanks to Kaitzilla for providing the video of Cruz control and the three year old exchanging the exact quotations provided.

Sooooooo....what misquote are you referring to J?

 

[onejayhawk]

Thanks to Kaitzilla for providing the video of Cruz control and the three year old exchanging the exact quotations provided.

Sooooooo....what misquote are you referring to J?

Cutlass misrepresented what was said, using the words taken out of context. As I said, smooth.

Another example is one that JR throws out a lot. Ronald Reagan tried to quote John Adams, "Facts are stubborn things." However, he said stupid instead of stubborn. Reagan said the words, but they were not a representative statement.

J

 

[JollyRoger]

That three year old was the smartest person in the room.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Cutlass misrepresented what was said, using the words taken out of context. As I said, smooth.

How was it taken out of context? Dude is on the standard tirade of Republican 'campaigning'...the economy is a disaster (leaving out that compared to 2008 we are on the freakin' gravy train to heaven), foreign policy is a shambles because we lead from behind (leaving out that Republican polices led us into two wars we are just now getting somewhat extricated from), and climaxing with an orgasmic "the world is on fire!!!!' bit of false drama...which the three year old as the only non republican in the room quietly pointed out was plainly excrement.

All in all, exactly as represented and frankly hysterical.

Outside of the Republican echo chamber even a three year old can see that their position is just spouting bollocks and hoping that if they repeat it enough more people will come around to believing it.

 

[JollyRoger]

Another example is one that JR throws out a lot. Ronald Reagan tried to quote John Adams, "Facts are stubborn things." However, he said stupid instead of stubborn. Reagan said the words, but they were not a representative statement.

J

You chastise someone for misquoting when they provided an exact quote and then you say something about me that is 100% untrue. You can search every post I have made at CFC and you will not find one where I referenced that Reagan quote. My Reagan stuff is about what the man actually did while in office contrasted with the myth of what he did.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The real howler there is that the current Republican party misrepresents Reagan far more than anyone quoting "Facts are stupid things" could even begin to do.

 

[Hygro]

Is the world on fire a global warming thing or a terrorism thing?

 

[JollyRoger]

A public sector unionized fire department thing.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Link to video.

That is an odd story, and intellectually very curious.

 

[Cutlass]

Is the world on fire a global warming thing or a terrorism thing?

It's a too many libruls thing.

 

[Farm Boy]

Libruls are pretty objectionable, to his credit. Liberals are pretty good neighbors with the whole live and let live philosophy going on instead of the moralizing busybodies.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I'm confused about what was misquoted or taken out of context.

It seems like Cruz engaged in some extreme hyperbole, and the little girl took him literally and incredulously asked him to confirm what he just said. Instead of then backing off and acknowledging his hyperbole by saying something like "No honey, don't worry the world is not on fire, Im just exaggerating a little bit, its OK" He repeated his statement (which frankly, comes pretty close to crossing the line from hyperbole to lying) and then dumped the whole problem in the lap of the child's mommy by telling her that it was her mommy's responsibility to sort everything out (presumably by giving money to him).

If I was the parent I would be thinking "Yeah thanks Ted, you traumatize my kid and then leave me to undo the damage you've done"