Clown Car IV: The Dotard and Dunce Parade

[Lexicus]

Chattel slaves have typically been legally considered a form of property like any other and to free slaves is to violate the property rights of the owner.

 

[Arakhor]

Or was your post directed at someone else / missing a quote?

I was referring to Berzerker's and FF's posts debating Lincoln's behaviour.

 

[Rashiminos]

Yeah, well, but still Obama's election happened against a backdrop of people who were actually saying in an extremely thinly veiled code that black people should be excluded from the political process altogether (the whole ‘he was born in Kenya’ thing).

It could have been worse. Obama could have been fluent in Russian.

Spoiler :

The accusation is actually geared to hostile foreigners and "Arabs," which aside from the opinions of a few screwball groups, doesn't apply to Black Americans

Well, the slaves were oppressed because the law failed to outlaw slavery. I.e. it gave the freedom to oppress.

Back to Popper's paradox, as usual.

More of the implicit vs explicit rights kind of conversation.

on the leaks of the British Ambrassador : Let me assure people that they are mistaken . Under the guise of criticism , it gives Trump a yet another phony victory ; expect his voter base to assume , by the next month or come September that it was Trump who replaced Theresa May after she couldn't control her useless bureucrats , or however you spell the word . Trump being the guy who included Air Force One in the parade , because American Military was not the strongest in the world when he took oath on Jan 20 , 2017 , but it's number 1 now , only thanks to Trump .

No no. She's leaving because she failed to midwife Brexit to completion.

 

[Lexicus]

The accusation is actually geared to hostile foreigners and "Arabs," which aside from the opinions of a few screwball groups, doesn't apply to Black Americans

the point is that Obama was only accused of being a hostile foreigner and an Arab because he was black...and that is the thinly-veiled code...

 

[Rashiminos]

Is this a member of the group of unfalsifiable hypotheses?

 

[Lexicus]

Is this a member of the group of unfalsifiable hypotheses?

Has any white candidate ever been accused of not being a US citizen?

 

[Rashiminos]

Natural born citizen? Ted Cruz.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I'm sure it's a coincidence that the first black president was constantly accused of being a secret muslim and an illegal.

 

[BenitoChavez]

Has any white candidate ever been accused of not being a US citizen?

Ted Cruz was in 2016. Don't recall how much of it was tongue in cheek and how much serious

 

[Sommerswerd]

The accusation is actually geared to hostile foreigners and "Arabs," which aside from the opinions of a few screwball groups, doesn't apply to Black Americans

And by "screwball groups" you mean Republicans/Conservatives? See below

Is this a member of the group of unfalsifiable hypotheses?

No. Its not. Its already been proven... on National Television:

You're welcome.

 

[Lexicus]

Ted Cruz was in 2016. Don't recall how much of it was tongue in cheek and how much serious

It isn't exactly analogous. No one was questioning his citizenship per se, but rather there was some questioning whether he was a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution requires for Presidential eligibility.

 

[Sommerswerd]

It isn't exactly analogous. No one was questioning his citizenship per se, but rather there was some questioning whether he was a "natural born citizen" as the Constitution requires for Presidential eligibility.

Furthermore, the "questioning" was being done ironically, to point out the hypocrisy of Republicans who had been howling for years that Obama wasn't legitimate because according to the birthers he was born abroad and only had one American citizen parent... just like Ted Cruz... but Republicans weren't raising the birther issue against Ted Cruz.

 

[Lexicus]

Furthermore, the "questioning" was being done ironically, to point out the hypocrisy of Republicans who had been howling for years that Obama wasn't legitimate because according to the birthers he was born abroad and only had one American citizen parent... just like Ted Cruz... but Republicans weren't raising the birther issue against Ted Cruz.

IIRC Donald Trump was one of those who brought it up, I don't think he is capable of irony...

but at any rate there is no real comparison. There was no "birther movement" wrt to Ted Cruz. There has never been anything remotely like the "birther movement" about Obama, though I suppose you could say a historical precursor was John Birch types thinking Kennedy would sell the USA to the Vatican or whatever.

edit: actually now I think on it Confederate rhetoric about the "black Republicans" and their leader Abraham Lincoln is kinda similar....but that would only go to prove the point wouldn't it.

 

[Sommerswerd]

IIRC Donald Trump was one of those who brought it up, I don't think he is capable of irony...

Maybe when he saw Cruz as his biggest rival for the Republican nomination... but as you point out, the idea never gained any traction because Republican voters didn't care about Cruz's "birth certificate", because he is a Republican.

 

[Lexicus]

Maybe when he saw Cruz as his biggest rival for the Republican nomination... but as you point out, the idea never gained any traction because Republican voters didn't care about Cruz's "birth certificate", because he is a Republican.

And also because despite his slightly unfortunate last name he is lily-white.

 

[Farm Boy]

The sound doesn't work on your clip of McCain shutting down and snatching the mic from the conspiracy theory lady. Oh abuser of extrapolation.

"He is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared as President of the United States." But w/e, selective decade old quote mining and that one isn't kinked right for the point, eh?

In segregated 2019 media land, long past the death of the likes of Cronkite(imperfect as they were) one doesn't really need to get contradictory opinions or take timeouts when it isn't available and people just need to interact. Can sit around in friendly news confines only going out on raids to bring back the juiciest tidbits to hate, carve, and share with the other stinkyass vikings around one's own personal horsehockeypile. Forts fight.

 

[Lexicus]

Worth noting that in McCain's "shutting down" of the conspiracy lady, he said "he's a decent family man" as if Arabs cannot be decent family men.

 

[Rashiminos]

And by "screwball groups" you mean Republicans/Conservatives?

Nope.

See below No. Its not. Its already been proven... on National Television:

You're welcome.

What did you think I was referring to when I quoted "Arab?" The thought was nice, though.

I'm sure it's a coincidence that the first black president was constantly accused of being a secret muslim and an illegal.

I'm sure you're probably right.


Link to video.

 

[Sommerswerd]

The sound doesn't work on your clip of McCain shutting down and snatching the mic from the conspiracy theory lady. Oh abuser of extrapolation.

"He is a decent person and person you don't not have to be scared as President of the United States." But w/e, selective decade old quote mining and that one isn't kinked right for the point, eh?

No. It absolutely works because as I've pointed out repeatedly in the past... McCain lost because of him shutting down and snatching the mic. His action was undoubtedly one of the most praiseworthy and decent moments of that whole campaign... and it absolutely lost him the enthusiasm of the Republican base. McCain isn't the one who is a reflection of the Republican base in that clip... the woman is.

Donald Trump's election was, at its core, a reaction to exactly that sort of admonition by their politicians ... the Republican electorate was weary of being told by their politicians that they needed to stop being so racist/prejudiced etc. That's why Trump's refrain against "political correctness" resonated so well with Republican voters. They were sick of politicians who were shutting them down and snatching the mic when they wanted to be racist. That's why Trump did his little "I don't know who David Duke is" and "I don't know what white supremacy is" dance during the campaign. He was trying to avoid McCain's mistake.

What did you think I was referring to when I quoted "Arab?"

What do you think I thought you were referring to? The fact that you don't see that the woman is an accurate reflection of the mindset of the Republican base is telling... and frankly makes the point.

 

[Lexicus]

No. It absolutely works because as I've pointed out repeatedly in the past... McCain lost because of him shutting down and snatching the mic. His action was undoubtedly one of the most praiseworthy and decent moments of that whole campaign... and it absolutely lost him the enthusiasm of the Republican base. McCain isn't the one who is a reflection of the Republican base in that clip... the woman is.

Donald Trump's election was, at its core, a reaction to exactly that sort of admonition by their politicians ... the Republican electorate was weary of being told by their politicians that they needed to stop being so racist/prejudiced etc. That's why Trump's refrain against "political correctness" resonated so well with Republican voters. They were sick of politicians who were shutting down and snatching the mic when they wanted to be racist.

Whoooooooah

I never thought about this way before but you are 100% right.

oh and btw Farm Boy is right, the sound on that youtube video doesn't work. Drove me nuts for a couple of minutes because I thought it was the sound on my computer/headphones that wasn't working but I switched to a different Youtube upload of the same clip and that one had sound.

For convenience, here is a clip with sound;