GenMarshall
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Ideally, I’d want the economic environment found in that era. The 50s and 60s can keep the social ills and the threat of nuclear annaliation by the USSR.
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You don't have to be friends to have a long history. They have been colleagues for the better part of 3 decades, as much as politics is a show for the American people to watch, if you really think that these two don't know what to expect from one another, and to think they couldn't come to some sort of agreement on absolute necessities is foolish.
Lexicus
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I don't think they couldn't. I just think they won't.
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The Democratic party history is far from squeaky clean. Union and labour movement is far from squeaky clean. But they both made progress happen when they were operating more from the left. Something liberals have been comparably ineffectual with. Funny thing about “the new conservatism”. That is exactly how I would characterise the US(eless) Democrats or UK LibDems or Macron. When Biden says “nothing will fundamentally change” he means it and the party knows this is what sells to the liberal centrist. Liberal as a relic in name only. If you want real liberalism in the classical sense the anglosphere new labour forces with Corbyn, Bernie, the squad etc were miles ahead of any liberal party program. There were your real social liberals.
I( wouldn't argue with that, but leaders of the Democrats in the US like Kennedy or Labour in the UK like Wilson weren't the ones pushing the envelope. Nor were union leaders.
Trump has tweeted that Guiliani has coronavirus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55210243
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Dripping brown sludge from your brain must be a new symptom.
Zardnaar
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Yeah the conditions were like that because of the overall situation.
Lots of people due in war, taxes gobuo to fund the war, the "racist" government's of the time weren't big on mass migration.
From memory wages doubled in the war years in the USA.
Lexicus
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The entire refugee system of the postwar world was also established because the US and Canada's refusal to admit Jewish refugees, due primarily to racism, led to many easily preventable deaths.
Zardnaar
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Because most government's back then were racist by today's standards.
We didn't have segregation or apartheid here but still had essentially a whites only immigration policy.
Wages were higher comparatively but it was because of policies like that along with whole countries cut out of the world's economy eg USSR, China etc.
You can cherry pick parts of the 1960s for example but there was also other stuff going on explaining the "better" conditions.
Didn't apply to blacks in the USA for example.
that doesn't make them non-racist
Zardnaar
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True but everything looks bad viewed with today's standards.
In 100 years they may look at us the same way. "How did they buy all that cheap crap on Amazon and ruin the planet".
Go back to say Roman times and slavery was very widespread not just Romans.
Might even go the other way. "That Trump guy what a prophet so say we all".
Zardnaar
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Well every pretty much did it across multiple cultures.
Hunan zois were a thing into the 1930s.
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Lol! You actually believe in the shining city myth as though America ever was! How pathetic to be so naïve!
First, yes America is the greatest nation to have ever graced this planet. It may have it faults as all nations do but no nation has ever been created solely on the basis of Freedom. We have had our negatives but we are always striving to better our nation, it may be painful at times, it may be difficult but we always inch slowly closer to the idealism of the shining city on hill. No other nation on this planet can say that is how they were founded nor that they have always been inching closer to that Utopian ideal. When we look at other western democracies one of two things is true, either their nation was born of Empire, ex. the UK, or America propped it up to bring it back from the horrors of fascism, ex. Germany. We are the nation others strive to be, some may have surpassed us in progressive programs in the past half century, but each of those nations looked to the US for leadership to get them to where they are today. One can bash us left and right but we are the reason you are the way you are now, American blood paved the way for the democracies around the world today.
No one owes you a thing, no matter how much you believe it.
Anyway, ideals are all well and good, but actual facts on the ground are what matter, and America is less free in almost every category than the rest of the developed world. You can't even drink outdoors, for crying out loud.
America is the country who declared war on drugs, which removed individual freedom. America is the country founded on slavery, written plain into our constitution. America is the country that declared war on England for taxation without representation, yet taxes its own citizens without representation (DC).
America overthrows democracies.
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Did not say we were owed anything but bashing the country that literally set the standard for the rest of the world's democracies makes little sense.
I acknowledged that some 1st world democracies may have passed us in the means of progressive ideals however we were the standard bearer for 200 years.
Is it bad to be against drugs? Granted the "War on Drugs" did not achieve the goals it set out to, but the ideals they attempted weren't rooted in evil, they were rooted in protecting people. Succeed or fail you can't fault people with good intentions for not living up to what the original intent was, at least they tried to better society.
The second part of your statement here doesn't make sense. US citizens have representation in DC, the federal government determines federal taxes, each state has Senators and Congressmen representing their citizens, these representatives voted in favor of taxes. That's called representation.
Never said we were perfect, just that we are and have been the standard bearer of democracy for two and half centuries. Remind me again what other modern democracies were doing 150-200 years ago? As to the specifics of overthrowing democracies, I assume this is in reference to Cold War era...if so I have a few questions...
1. Is your first language Russian?
2. Did you grow up in an autocratic in name "Communist" state?
3. Did the world end in total nuclear war?
Many forget that for society to survive and for democratic ideals to continue some pretty terrible deeds must be done by men and woman who are sworn to protect this country. In order to progress the American and indeed western ideology during the cold war we had to do some terrible things. Were they wrong, yes of course... were they necessary, beyond a doubt yes.
Zardnaar
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Well in 1893 we were first to grant women universal suffrage and started to build the welfare state
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