Communism Is The Only Way Forward

[Moff Jerjerrod]

Isn't it ironic that Russia and China have moved more towards capitalism and the USA is racing rapidly and with verve and elan towards communism?

 

[civver_764]

Abegweit is not an anarcho-communist.

Just so we get that straight...

 

[galdre]

Well done, youve debunked anarcho-communism.

The first and critically most important step in the rise in the power of the State at the expense of crippling the economy was the destruction of the fairs of Champagne. During the High Middle Ages, the fairs of Champagne were the main mart for international trade, and the hub of local and international commerce. These fairs had been carefully nurtured by being made free zones, untaxed or unregulated by the French kings or nobles, while justice was swiftly and efficiently meted out by competing private and merchants' courts. The fairs of Champagne reached their peak during the 13th century, and provided the center for land-based trade over the Alps from northern Italy, bearing goods from afar.

whatever form govt has taken, it has always controlled the economy - merchants were allowed more freedom in that time only because the majority of wealth was agrarian: the ruling classes were land-holders who got rich off of the work of peasants. As merchants became wealthier, that started to change.

 

[civver_764]

yep, just the anti-law enforcement idea is characteristic of collectivist ideologies

No it's not. Anti-law enforcement only comes into play when the cops are enforcing unnecessarily authoritarian laws or beating up black people.

 

[Ajidica]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't law enforcement still present in a communist society?

USA is racing rapidly and with verve and elan towards communism?

If by that you mean 'running away faster the King Arthurs knights from the White Rabbit', then yes, I agree with you.

 

[galdre]

No it's not. Anti-law enforcement only comes into play when the cops are enforcing unnecessarily authoritarian laws or beating up black people.

yes, police have been used to enforce unjust laws, just look at the early attempts at unionization in the US for some brutal examples - the working people have always been used against each other (as in war)

but, however wrong someone is to enforce an unjust law, the real enemy is the one making the unjust laws

 

[civver_764]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't law enforcement still present in a communist society?

Indeed. Without capitalism crime rates will go down as well.

Well actually I won't speak for a communist society since we have no way of knowing how humankind will have developed by then.

 

[amadeus]

Indeed. Without capitalism crime rates will go down as well.

Indeed. It's hard to shoplift when the store is out of everything.

 

[Traitorfish]

Isn't it ironic that Russia and China have moved more towards capitalism and the USA is racing rapidly and with verve and elan towards communism?

What.

Indeed. It's hard to shoplift when the store is out of everything.

You do realise that Stalinism isn't Communism, yes? "Bureaucratic Collectivism", you might call it, or "State Capitalism", even "Socialism", if you were feeling deluded, but "Communism"? Even the Soviets didn't claim as much.

 

[Incodcito]

Capitalism has had its shot and failed. People say that the Soviet Union failed, but that's just a load of poppycock. The Soviet Union ended because they spent way too much money on the military, which was ultimately the American's fault.
Capitalism is cruel and unjust. People say that capitalism works because they are bourgeois Americans with health insurance. But in the real world, the world of starving millions, famine, drought, war and murder, people cannot live their lives like they ought to able to, with a home, a real job, a good wage and a place to live.
Capitalism cannot grant people these things, because it's all about making money, and you need money to make money. Thus the people in the poorest parts of the world with little or no infrastructure cannot get the help that they need from capitalism, and the scarcity of resources leads inevitably to war, as it has done for centuries.
People say that Communism had its chance and failed. This is not true.
It has only just begun!

Do you consider your-self a marxist?

 

[civ-addicted]

Capitalism has had its shot and failed. People say that the Soviet Union failed, but that's just a load of poppycock. The Soviet Union ended because they spent way too much money on the military, which was ultimately the American's fault.
Capitalism is cruel and unjust. People say that capitalism works because they are bourgeois Americans with health insurance. But in the real world, the world of starving millions, famine, drought, war and murder, people cannot live their lives like they ought to able to, with a home, a real job, a good wage and a place to live.
Capitalism cannot grant people these things, because it's all about making money, and you need money to make money. Thus the people in the poorest parts of the world with little or no infrastructure cannot get the help that they need from capitalism, and the scarcity of resources leads inevitably to war, as it has done for centuries.
People say that Communism had its chance and failed. This is not true.
It has only just begun!

For 140 years, communist wait for capitalism to fail. The crisis in 1857, WWI and the russian revolution, the great depression, communist victory in WWII, the oil crisis, (not to mension the RAF in Germany), left-winged protests in europe, the crisis after the internet bubble and the recent crisis.
That has been the perfect opportunities for communist to take over the world.
If they didn't manage back then, they never will. Suck on that, b#tch!
Go, Capitalism!
#1 forever!

 

[Dachs]

The first and critically most important step in the rise in the power of the State at the expense of crippling the economy was the destruction of the fairs of Champagne.

Um, the Champagne fairs stopped being relevant when trade routes shifted and when they lost the local political special interest who made bank off of them and who promoted them. And they certainly don't fit into any monolithic narrative of 'the rise of the state ruining the economy'.

 

[Disgustipated]

Isn't it ironic that Russia and China have moved more towards capitalism and the USA is racing rapidly and with verve and elan towards communism?

yup, which causes me to question the intelligence of those who support communism.

It's funny how the OP says the only reason capitalism failed as the same reason communism failed. Military spending. One can conclude that there is nothing wrong with capitalism, and that only military spending needs to be adjusted. The OP also suggest all or nothing. It's not unfeasible to have universal health care and capitalism. Going to communism is just idiocy. There is nothing wrong with the system. Commies are just creating a problem when there is none.

I will give many of you commies the benefit of the doubt. I was a commie in high school, as most people were. Back then we lacked the wisdom to look at society objectively and we only saw the screwed up part of society. We were too young to have traveled the world and seen how others lived. What is really pathetic is these 60 year old communist professors or news journalists. You'd think at 60 years old they'd get a clue and realize the world isn't that bad, it's actually pretty damn good. So once you youngsters move away from high school and college, and travel the world, you'll see how good we have it. There is nothing wrong with western society. There is no problem.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

What you mean is we lacked a justification to hate poor people and feel better than them. Funny since I was a neoconservative in high school.

There is nothing wrong with Western society. There is no problem.

 

[Moff Jerjerrod]

yup, which causes me to question the intelligence of those who support communism.

It's funny how the OP says the only reason capitalism failed as the same reason communism failed. Military spending. One can conclude that there is nothing wrong with capitalism, and that only military spending needs to be adjusted. The OP also suggest all or nothing. It's not unfeasible to have universal health care and capitalism. Going to communism is just idiocy. There is nothing wrong with the system. Commies are just creating a problem when there is none.

I will give many of you commies the benefit of the doubt. I was a commie in high school, as most people were. Back then we lacked the wisdom to look at society objectively and we only saw the screwed up part of society. We were too young to have traveled the world and seen how others lived. What is really pathetic is these 60 year old communist professors or news journalists. You'd think at 60 years old they'd get a clue and realize the world isn't that bad, it's actually pretty damn good. So once you youngsters move away from high school and college, and travel the world, you'll see how good we have it. There is nothing wrong with western society. There is no problem.

Agree with everything you say here. I had an uncle who emigrated to the USA from the USSR back in the early 1980's. He told me that the first thing he noticed about life here in the West is that you have to work hard to get what you want/need in life. Under the Soviet system everything was given to you but there was no purpose in life, just pointless work for pointless pay. He told me before passing away that he was glad he got a chance to get out and come to the US.

 

[Moff Jerjerrod]

What.

Ummmm...yes actually. The writing is on the wall as they say.

 

[Dachs]

Ummmm...yes actually. The writing is on the wall as they say.

Maybe it's in invisible ink. How about you lend a little lemon juice to our confusion and explain why you think so?

 

[Lone Wolf]

Under the Soviet system everything was given to you

I had no idea the Soviet system was so benevolent.

 

[Moff Jerjerrod]

I had no idea the Soviet system was so benevolent.

Yep. While you had little or no chance of owning your own home and land you did get to live in a dilapidated state owned apartment. You knew you would always have a job, might not be one you would have chosen for yourself, but at least you had work. Might never get a promotion and increase in pay but at least you could feed your family if you didn't mind waiting in long lines for a loaf of bread. Everything was provided for you but not by your choice. You do what the state tells you to do.

Sounds like a great life if you ask me. Sorry but no, I love my freedom. What little is left of it.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Yep. While you had little or no chance of owning your own home and land you did get to live in a dilapidated state owned apartment.

Funny that many soviet citizens complained about being reduced to this by the fall of the Soviet Union and the collapse of their socialist system.

You knew you would always have a job, might not be one you would have chosen for yourself, but at least you had work.

They also complained that this became the case. Their trades, which they most certainly always chose, were no longer in demand and 30-year veteran engineers had to make new livings as sales representatives or other completely unrelated jobs.

Might never get a promotion and increase in pay but at least you could feed your family if you didn't mind waiting in long lines for a loaf of bread.

Lines characteristic of the last few years, the fall of the USSR. Similar things happened when the Capitalist system has neared collapse, and even during its heyday.

Everything was provided for you but not by your choice. You do what the state tells you to do.

Sounds like your idea of the USSR is based on certain dystopian fiction-writing.

Sounds like a great life if you ask me. Sorry but no, I love my freedom. What little is left of it.

So you admit that proponents of capitalism are masochists. Excellent.