Could the US capture Europe?

[El_Machinae]

We'd stab you in the Yukon with Scotland and then kick you in the Florida with Italy.

I forgot about Italy.
As well, the EU could just drop Greenland, and it would crush us like a bug. Probably destabilise the whole Eastern coast

 

[BaneBlade]

My feelings exactly, I almost said the same thing: please, try

Nothing encourages the anti-american feelings in Europe so much as such ultra-arrogant and bloated comments from some Americans...

Yeah, hard to oversee, you're hoping for a unified Europe, too. I was especially happy to see a Switzer? express support for our side. I would like them to share our future with us, as part of the EU.
So how do we get them Yanks to declare war? Somebody could shoot Bush and supply FOX with footage of the cheering, dancing masses in Europe, for starters!

 

[thetrooper]

So how do we get them Yanks to declare war?

A failed 'plant spy' attempt would do.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Oh my Gods, this thread gave me minutes of good laugh

Basically, the discussion here looks like this:

US patriot: Haha, Europe wouldn't stand a chance.
EU poster: How do you plan to do that?
US patriot: We have better everything, we would crush you like a bug.
EU poster: -disproves everything the US patriot said and post data that suggest, that US is actually in many ways totally unable to attack any reasonably armed Western country-
US patriot: No, that's irrelevant, we have combat experience.
EU poster: Yeah, experience with combat against few villagers armed with AK-47?
US patriot: And our fighter pilots are very skilled, so they don't need better technology to destroy your airforce!
EU poster: They're skilled, because they managed to bomb few unguarded buildings in Iraq, completely undisturbed by any enemy fighters?
US patriot: We have stealth fighters and bombers!
EU poster: We can detect them...
US patriot: NO! WE WOULD WIN, WE WOULD CRUSH YOU!
EU poster: Mind to tell my how do you want to accomplish that?
US patriot: We're AMERICANS, hear that? AMERICANS! We can do everything! EVERYTHING!
EU poster: Sure

It is so rare that I am going to bold it: Thanks Winner for this hilarious and good post.

 

[Grisu]

Yeah, hard to oversee, you're hoping for a unified Europe, too. I was especially happy to see a Switzer? express support for our side.

you poking fun at me? though my 'support' doesn't mean much, I'm personally in favour of switzerland joining the EU which puts me on the endangered species list around here

 

[nc-1701]

Ok I have been thinking about it for awhile and ecided that it will probably be won by the USA.

This would be a long war several years at least so we have to look at things like industry and resources.

The US would have an easier time getting oil from the Saudis in fact we could probably blockade Eroupe into submisson.

So it comes down to naval/airforce nothing will happen till one side gets full air/sea superiority.


So we look at the navys
USA EU
Carriers 12 supercarriers 1 carrier+6 light carriers ++USA
Cruisers 27 Aegis 3 heli 1 gun ++USA
Destroyers 30 Aegis 20+missile 34 missile +USA
Frigates 39 missile 149 missile ++EU
Attack Submrines 49 nuclear 18 nuclear 55 non nuclear USA
Littoral warfare 21 small 12 large 22 very small +USA

Air forces
Numbers here are about even except that the USA has strategic bombers, Eroupe does not, and US aircraft air vastly superior the only decent plane to come out of Eroupe is probably the Eurofighter 2000 and the French Rafale M which are still in low numbers. You also have some F-16, F-15, and MIG-29 aircraft but you probably couldn't replace them. The USA has the F-15E, JSF, F-22, F-18E/F, F-16, and F-14. All vastly superior to the Tornadoes you have.

So I estimate a several month to year long air/sea war folowed by a blockade and massive bombardment of Eroupe for another year+ then finally an invasion.

The wildcard of course is Russia if then join Eroupe we lose if they join us Eroupe falls in under a year.

 

[thetrooper]

Blockade of Europe? Please explain...

 

[BaneBlade]

you poking fun at me? though my 'support' doesn't mean much, I'm personally in favour of switzerland joining the EU which puts me on the endangered species list around here

No, i was LOLing because "Schweitzer" sounded arkward for me in english, and i wasn't sure if it's correct to say "Switzer".
So still not much support for the EU on the other side of the border?

Blockade of Europe? Please explain...

They could nuke a split in the continental crust between Europe and Russia and then blockade the waterway. So we don't get oil, gas, ore, wood, food, tanks and other weapons and everything we could ever need from Russia and China. After that they do the same to SaudiArabia and tow it with superhuman NAVY SEALS through the Pacific and dock it on the east coast.

 

[Mise]

No, i was LOLing because "Schweitzer" sounded arkward for me in english, and i wasn't sure if it's correct to say "Switzer".
So still not much support for the EU on the other side of the border?

The adjective for Switzerland is "Swiss" ^^

 

[DAv2003]

Let's see... No. By the time the US actually tries to invade, the enitire European navies and air forces will be against them. And let's not forget Russia ain't gonna be too pleased with the US messing up their old playground.

 

[nc-1701]

Blockade of Europe? Please explain...

Cut off your flow of resources by creating a naval blockade around your ports to prevent the flow of oil and other resources from reaching the EUs war effort. It would be especialy effective on places like the UK.

 

[Mise]

Cut off your flow of resources by creating a naval blockade around your ports to prevent the flow of oil and other resources from reaching the EUs war effort. It would be especialy effective on places like the UK.

Good idea. How on Earth would our warships and submarines get out of port when there's a whole load of American steel in front of them?!

 

[GinandTonic]

Winner living up to his name

So the US looses its U2 and Stealth advantages.

The EU gets to use its entire airforce and navy and only has to contend with the US navy. The US does not get to choose its fights because withing range of land based aviation the EU has the intel advantage.

If the EU navy sinks half the US fleet in return for its total destruction the US is completely outnumbered by superior land based airforces. And the US navy would beat an enemy with superior technology-in-theatre, superior numbers and superior intel because?

 

[BaneBlade]

Cut off your flow of resources by creating a naval blockade around your ports to prevent the flow of oil and other resources from reaching the EUs war effort. It would be especialy effective on places like the UK.

Have to quote myself, edited to slow....

"They could nuke a split in the continental crust between Europe and Russia and then blockade the waterway. So we don't get oil, gas, ore, wood, food, tanks and other weapons and everything we could ever need from Russia and China. After that they do the same to SaudiArabia and tow it with superhuman NAVY SEALS through the Pacific and dock it on the east coast. To get it out of range of millions of young turks who want to see american blood because they lost relatives in the european theatre/EU forces and their government wants in the EU."

The adjective for Switzerland is "Swiss" ^^

Thanks, but the word i searched for was "Schweitzer", person/citizen or man from Switzerland!? Hmm, it's still Swiss, isn't it?

 

[GinandTonic]

Cut off your flow of resources by creating a naval blockade around your ports to prevent the flow of oil and other resources from reaching the EUs war effort. It would be especialy effective on places like the UK.

You have noticed that you cannt have a naval blockade of the EU? The British isles sure, but not the EU. The resources can be brought in from Russia and the Mid East - who like us an awful lot more than they like you.

 

[thetrooper]

Have to quote myself, edited to slow....

"They could nuke a split in the continental crust between Europe and Russia and then blockade the waterway. So we don't get oil, gas, ore, wood, food, tanks and other weapons and everything we could ever need from Russia and China. After that they do the same to SaudiArabia and tow it with superhuman NAVY SEALS through the Pacific and dock it on the east coast."

Nukes are not allowed in this scenario. Read the OP.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Cut off your flow of resources by creating a naval blockade around your ports to prevent the flow of oil and other resources from reaching the EUs war effort. It would be especialy effective on places like the UK.

Only on places like the UK. I can walk from here to Saudi Arabia.

And don't Norway and Russia have oil?

 

[Mise]

We have the Channel Tunnel now. Thanks Maggie

 

[Ingvina Freyr]

HAHA!
So does that mean, that Finland would the only one doing the defending then (we have a rather good record against an overwhelming enemy, but that might be because all of the Soviets coming didn't have any room to fight - there were so many of them ).

On a more serious note aaglo, it is a good example of the advantages with being the defender. And in that case the attacker had superior numbers, and also equipment IIRC. So, the chances for a nation to successfully invade an enemy with somewhat equal capacity is close to zero IMHO.

Winston Churchill speach about the Finland-Soviet war:

Spoiler :

Only Finland-superb, nay, sublime-in the jaws of peril-Finland shows what free men can do. The service rendered by Finland to mankind is magnificent. They have exposed, for all the world to see, the military incapacity of the Red Army and of the Red Air Force. Many illusions about Soviet Russia have been dispelled in these few fierce weeks of fighting in the Arctic Circle. Everyone can see how Communism rots the soul of a nation; how it makes it abject and hungry in peace, and proves it base and abominable in war. We cannot tell what the fate of Finland may be, but no more mournful spectacle could be presented to what is left to civilized mankind than that this splendid Northern race should be at last worn down and reduced to servitude worse than death by the dull brutish force of overwhelming numbers. If the light of freedom which still burns so brightly in the frozen North should be finally quenched, it might well herald a return to the Dark Ages, when every vestige of human progress during two thousand years would be engulfed.

 

[thetrooper]

And don't Norway and Russia have oil?

A few barrels just in case.