Crime - foreigners - statistics

well Hannibal basically summed it up nicely:

furthermore: if you take the total crime in account it seems that nations with higher % of immigrants don't have higher rates of crime. Does that mean that a high immigration rate will make the local population less criminal? :crazyeye:
 
KaeptnOvi said:
well Hannibal basically summed it up nicely:

furthermore: if you take the total crime in account it seems that nations with higher % of immigrants don't have higher rates of crime. Does that mean that a high immigration rate will make the local population less criminal? :crazyeye:
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That's another blow to the OP right there...
 
HannibalBarka said:
1. Immigrants are poorer than the average "native", poor tend to make it to the prison more often than middle class or rich.
2. Immigrants are Younger than the average "native", 80 years old people very rarely commit crimes ;-)
3. Immigrants are Maler than the average "native" ie there are more Males than females, and again humans with balls commit more crimes than humans with boobs.
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Quite so. But there are other lesser reasons.

4. Some people travel abroad to commit crimes because they perceive that they are less likely to be caught (e.g. European paedophiles in Sri Lanka and SE Asia) or it is more profitable (e.g. South American pickpockets in Europe).

5. Some immigrants (often claiming political asylum these days) are merely criminals on the run. For instance if one stabbed someone to death in Britain or Europe in the 18th and 19th century, then getting your family or friends to give you the money to flee to America before the police or victims relatives found you was a very sensible thing to do.

6. Some immigrants choose not to recognise the customs or laws of the countries they go to.

7. Some immigrants do not have a community to provide them with either moral or economic support in their new country.
 
EdwardTking said:
6. Some immigrants choose not to recognise the customs or laws of the countries they go to.
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I would even make that point more specific: some immigrants choose to ignore the customs of the countries they go to, like couriers doing drug trafficking: there's quite a number of south americans and africans jailed for that on my country. They are not representative of the immigrant population, except in the sense HannibalBarka mentioned: being poorer they are more easily be tempted to do this.
 
I was just looking at the demographics profile of the Minnesota prison system. It is interesting because it has religion statistics. Muslims are over represented but it looks like it is the Baptists that you really have to watch out for.

Or another way of looking at it is that blacks are disproportionately incarcerated so the religions associated with them are over represented. Obviously this correlates with the fact that a large portion of the permenant underclass in the US is black. In general legal immigrants in the US are not part of the permenant underclass and offend at a lower rate than the US population as a whole.

The comparison between the US experience and the European experience of immigration and crime begs the question of whether immigrant crime in Europe is caused by immigration itself or something that happens to the immigrant once they arrive in Europe.
 
Something else which skews the statistic is foreigners visiting a country. If they commit a crime, they fall into the first statistic but they don't fall into the second one, increasing the gap between them.
 
aneeshm said:
Winner - I don't have a source for this, but I've heard that though Muslims constitute only 13% of India's population, they make up 70% of people in jail. Their religions keeps them backward, and thus crime increases.
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In India, prostitues are mainly hindu dalit, I am sure their Religion has some thing to do with that :crazyeye:
 
Rik Meleet said:
First of all, you EXPECT the crimerate of foreigners to be higher than that of locals. Why? Because many foreigners go to countries specifically to do crimes.
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Yes.

Of the "foreigners" in Norwegian jails, for example, many (possibly most) are neither immigrant citizens or other permanent or semi-permanent residents, but "visitors" who entered the country on tourist visas (or illegally). Those guys are typically deported on release (keeping them from sneaking back in is another matter, our borders are fairly porous).
 
Drewcifer said:
The comparison between the US experience and the European experience of immigration and crime begs the question of whether immigrant crime in Europe is caused by immigration itself or something that happens to the immigrant once they arrive in Europe.
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Or it may be due to economic class of immigrant before they get to europe, in the US the muslim immigrant population (sans mexicans) is generally more affluent and skilled than the one in Europe because America is a lot harder to get to than europe (though seen as a better place to live), so you have a stratifcation of wealth, skill, and criminality before they even arrive...
 
AL_DA_GREAT said:
after wwii anyone in Germany was way worse off than these immigrants. still they didn't go crazy and riot in their ghettos.
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inequality, not poverty :rolleyes:
 
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