Critical race theory

[bernie14]

Shower thoughts....
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phwoar. I could go for some vulgar marxism

How many filthy communists fit in your shower?

 

[Berzerker]

I dont know much about the subject. I know Fox is railing about it so maybe there's more to it than just acknowledging the role of racism past and present. I've heard reports this has translated into telling white school kids they should be ashamed of or apologize for being white. I hope that isn't what CRT comes down to...

 

[Samson]

I know Fox is railing about it so maybe there's more to it than just acknowledging the role of racism past and present. I've heard reports this has translated into telling white school kids they should be ashamed of or apologize for being white.

That is because you are listening to fox. I thought this was enlightening about what it is about, if a bit long.

 

[Berzerker]

definitely long but how is that being transmitted in grade school?

The clips I've seen were parents complaining to school boards

 

[Samson]

definitely long but how is that being transmitted in grade school?

The clips I've seen were parents complaining to school boards

Grade school meaning four to eleven years of age? If they are teaching this level of philosophy to kids that age I am impressed. My guess is that the parents may also have been watching fox, but they would probably be in a better position to answer.

 

[Berzerker]

That could be the case, Fox manufacturers consent with the best of them. But I can see the 'logical' leap from blaming the white man to blaming the white kid.

 

[RED.RED]

They decided this already in the 1930s.

edit: I should specify, in the immediate sense, the Republicans decided this in the 1930s. But conservatives and right-wingers have understood for well over 2,000 years that democratic (majority-rule) governance threatens the prerogatives of the rich aristocrats.

I'd hardly call 1930's Germany or the Caesarians conservatives (that is the reference you're making, correct?). They waged war on the aristocracy and bent them to their will. I think that's the most likely scenario rather than the US willingly becoming a progressive socialist or communist country without some much needed interventions at all levels of society and governance.

Trump has already sown the seeds of those same anti-elitist and anti-intellectual sentiments while equating those groups with "the left" and the Trumpers are already telling us, "We're a republic not a democracy."

The truth is we need mandatory CRT now more than ever.

 

[Farm Boy]

Already telling? We've been taught that we're a republic not a direct democracy along with the warnings against populism since forever. I had that in middle school social studies at 11-12.

Yet we still wind up with populist streaks. And in this year of inequality, of the march of law and order, we still need a streak of populism assclown or no. Educated, I mean accredited, or no.

 

[RED.RED]

Already telling? We've been taught that we're a republic not a direct democracy along with the warnings against populism since forever. I had that in middle school social studies at 11-12.

Yet we still wind up with populist streaks. And in this year of inequality, of the march of law and order, we still need a streak of populism assclown or no. Educated, I mean accredited, or no.

I don't understand what it is you're trying to say?

Just look at today's headline on Breitbarf:

MAGA VS. Masters: Trump Sues Google, Facebook, Twitter

End ’Illegal Censorship’ of Conservatives

Big Tech Actually Biggest ’misinfo’ Pushers!

We're watching it happen in real time.

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't understand what it is you're trying to say?

I'll give it a whirl.

rump has already sown the seeds of those same anti-elitist and anti-intellectual sentiments while equating those groups with "the left" and the Trumpers are already telling us, "We're a republic not a democracy."

Trump did none of this. Tumpers aren't "already doing" anything. They might be late to the show, is what they might be, on that assertion. We aren't a direct democracy. I've been taught that since I was 11 or 12, most likely much longer. So was everyone I know, if they paid attention in Social Studies, which many of them did not. The gist of that cirriculum lesson was always about the dictatorship of the mob and the decent into tyranny from, essentially, populism. It might be funny that some Trump supporters quote this, but a lot of what some Trump supporters say is always going to be funny. Like, funny funny.

I mean, if you're going to come back with that particular publication as an assertion into the mindset of the average "Trumper," I mean some of them are there. And they tend to be irritatingly loud, but I don't speak Brietbart's language even if you do. We're going to talk past each other on that.

 

[bernie14]

That is because you are listening to fox. I thought this was enlightening about what it is about, if a bit long.

If there is such a thing as a textbook defintion of "unholy marriage" it would be that of marxism and psychoanalysis. The anthropomorphication of artificially constructed power structures.

Anyways... this is the legal case to follow regarding CRT in american schools.

 

[bernie14]

The entire point of that article is that Derrick Bell was wrong lol...did you not read past the first two sentences?



Not entirely. Before I saw Senethro's post I was going to post some quotes of people being very, very upset that they merely imagined that their things (slaves) were going to be taken away at some point in the future, but I figured that doing so would be pointless.

In any case, Lincoln still speaks to this question most elegantly:

Yes, he was wrong. I got the wrong impression from your posts here.

 

[Ajidica]

Yes, he was wrong. I got the wrong impression from your posts here.

So close to a 1 year necro. Ten Points from Gryffindor.

 

[Edmund Ironside]

So close to a 1 year necro. Ten Points from Gryffindor.

Well in fairness this is overflow from the 'why can't the left...' thread, which was going increasingly off topic due to crt posts, so replying on this thread was probably a good call.

 

[Remorseless1]

Critical race theory is a graduate level course offered at some law schools. No undergrad qualifies for the course. It us not taught in the K-12 public schools. Again, not taught in K-12. There are training materials that incorporate a small amount of basic CRT into much more detailed material concerning classroom diversity. All the junk happening at school board meetings is delusional and designed to undermine public education.

By the way, the US is a democratic republic.

 

[Ajidica]

By the way, the US is a democratic republic.

Just like the former Zaire.

For something that isn't taught outside of higher education that isn't being taught to kids, many people seem dead set on insisting it would be a good thing to teach to kids.

 

[bernie14]

Critical race theory is a graduate level course offered at some law schools. No undergrad qualifies for the course. It us not taught in the K-12 public schools. Again, not taught in K-12. There are training materials that incorporate a small amount of basic CRT into much more detailed material concerning classroom diversity. All the junk happening at school board meetings is delusional and designed to undermine public education.

By the way, the US is a democratic republic.

Wrong, see legal case in post #211. And this nice article.

As an educator who has written about the penetration of CRT into Australian schools, I have been shocked by how misleading and uninformed many of these articles are. It is of course true that CRT as an academic legal theory is generally taught only in higher education, but it is also clear to anyone familiar with CRT that its core tenets are being taught to children in many of America’s K–12 schools—and taught as if those tenets were facts. Examples include the ideas of systemic racism, white privilege, white fragility and the predatory white imagination, as well as the notions that all white people (including white children) are inherently and irredeemably oppressors of black people, that all black people should recognize that they are fundamentally victims—and that pervasive racism is a permanent, ineradicable characteristic of American society.

 

[Lexicus]

Is the whole point of 'CRT' actually that racism *is* eradicable or am I having a stroke?

 

[Remorseless1]

Is the whole point of 'CRT' actually that racism *is* eradicable or am I having a stroke?

Get to a hospital stat!

CRT reviews laws and regulations that over the course of three centuries that kept non-whites and women from opening property, voting, running for elective office,have access to education, housing, and employment, made it difficult to start a business or go into white-owned businesses. It's factual, not advocacy. As I noted before, elements of CRT is included in teacher prep. What the above Australian educator was whining about was the teaching of historical fact that white men used the law to retain power. Anybody who disagrees that this happened (Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, segregation, to name a few) has their firmly planted in their posterior. White fear is really getting old.

 

[sophie]

Wrong, see legal case in post #211. And this nice article.

As an educator who has written about the penetration of CRT into Australian schools, I have been shocked by how misleading and uninformed many of these articles are. It is of course true that CRT as an academic legal theory is generally taught only in higher education, but it is also clear to anyone familiar with CRT that its core tenets are being taught to children in many of America’s K–12 schools—and taught as if those tenets were facts. Examples include the ideas of systemic racism, white privilege, white fragility and the predatory white imagination, as well as the notions that all white people (including white children) are inherently and irredeemably oppressors of black people, that all black people should recognize that they are fundamentally victims—and that pervasive racism is a permanent, ineradicable characteristic of American society.

I'm begging literally any of you to actually read the literature. You're in the same camp as the evangelicals whining about "evolutionists" and "scientivism" here.