Croatian war issue being resolved at the Hague, Croatia soon ready to join EU!

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Today, 30/08/2010, is the day when prosecution started giving it's closing statements in the trial against three Croatian military comaders in 1995 operation Storm at the "International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia". It was followed something like this in international media.

Remember that war? You know, the one being actively and openly prepared by Serbs in ex Yugoslavia since late 1980's, before there was even a one nationalist in Croatian political government, we had 0 political parties and evil ethnic cleansing dictatorial Croatian president Franjo Tu&#273;man who, by some sources, supposedly planed the whole war together with Slobodan Milo&#353;evi&#263; was just a wannabe historian in Zagreb. The one in which Yugoslav National Army occupied roughly 1/3 of Croatia's territory and expelled all non Serbs from those territories, killing thousand of non Serbs and documented those killings very well indeed (Hague tribunal for some reason gives a <snip>&#8230;). The one in which UN forces came to Croatia, right after Yugoslav National Army went to do the same to Bosnia, and actively involved themselves in defense of lands conquered by the Serbs. I guess it's a little unfair we blame them for that from today's perspective &#8211; after all, Serbs did seem like the weaker side, they controlled scarcely populated lands full of burned to ground villages, didn't have a single city of significant size in most of their republic, didn't have any industry because they only managed to stretch their so called state to the suburbs of cities they were trying to take from the Croats, and most of their army was composed of undisciplined crowd of peasants and adventurers from Serbia in theory interested in Great Serbia, in practice in booty. I mean, could you really blame them because after initial Yugoslav National Army backed conquests they fought they war with everyday massive bombardments of civilian cities. Really, who could? In 1995 despite best efforts of the "international community" operation Storm came, Serbs were defeated and following at least two years old backup plans (by 1993 Croatia had military capacity to perform something like Storm&#8230;) fled to Serbia and Serbian held territories in Bosnia and Herzegovina. I mean, <snip>, who could blame them. Would you want to live in a country with all those bloodthirsty Croats? <Snip> no. Croats are to blame because they are glad Serbs are gone. We sometimes have no shame&#8230;

At "International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia" years long ballade is coming to the end. For most of the trial, prosecution lamented about Croatian president Franjo Tu&#273;man and how he ethnically cleansed the Serbs from Croatia. Indictment text is focused on him (other parts blame the rest of Croatian government and Croatia as a state for ethnical cleansing of Serbs), not on the army generals which are on trial. Prosecutions evidence for this is their unbacked claim that Croatian army unselectively (???) bombarded the city of Knin for one single day before it managed to retake it, and thus forced Serbs to flee. Genocidal nature of Croats is also revealed by the fact that once they retook their lands they didn't keep enough troops in mostly empty Serb villages in order to protect them, but instead moved them to the front lines. This way our government encouraged civilians interested in plunder to burn those empty Serb villages and stopped Serbs from coming back! Again, we sometimes have no shame&#8230;

Of three Croatian generals on trial, Ante Gotovina will probably go free. I mean, there isn't any evidence for anything, but you can never tell in a political court. Other two guys are screwed (no that there is any real evidence that they did or didn't do anything &#8211; but they had a really crappy defense based on a premise: Hague prosecution is maybe right, but it was not my client...) Like I said, indictment text has little to do with any of them, and this autumn a sovereign state will be convicted for ethnic cleansing because it has launched a military operation to retake it's territory. What some unnamed UN members did in the 1990s in SE Europe to keep their spheres of influence will not be in history books. It was just a civil war in some <snip> place no one knows where. God damn we Balkanian barbar butchers. Present Croatian government is willing to go with Hague in order to get EU membership. So, here we come :salute:
 
The border disputes with Slovenia and Bosnia will have to be settled also before Croatia joins EU.
I hope it does in the next few years.
 
Usual Balkan nonsense I assume
 
Tito never made clear where the borders were (he didn't have to). Since then, the vagaries of time and war have left a few spots fuzzy. There's one spot where the border (annoyingly) runs through a bar.
 
Will the arms contraband from South America be investigated too?
 
Welcome to Europe!

I didn't read your OP but I am sure it was positive.
 
really, are you aware of the fact that Europe predates the existence the European union? :rolleyes:
 
I'm sure Croatia still has a few proverbial skeletons to get rid off from her closet, before she can truely join the European Union.
 
Tito never made clear where the borders were (he didn't have to). Since then, the vagaries of time and war have left a few spots fuzzy. There's one spot where the border (annoyingly) runs through a bar.
So, "yes"?
 
Yeah go join the EU. Soon Serbia will join the EU, then Kosovo and the whole storm will be part of EU.
It will be the Balkan nations that will destroy that decrepit institution. And those other "new members" yeah what good did they bring?
What benefit will Croatia bring to EU? Raspberries? They will steal all of Croatia's raspberries!
And then what abour your culture?
The EU will ban the folk drink, rakia. As it is traditionally made since it does not pass its "health regulations".
But this is an unacceptable and obvious destruction of traditional culture, to conform to EU ways.
In Bulgaria, joining EU gave no real benefits. What it did change, was the price of cigarettes, from a previous 0.50$ to 3.00$!
Joining EU is not a good thing.
 
Usual Balkan nonsense I assume

More Canadian US nonsense I assume

maritime boundary disputes with the US at Dixon Entrance, Beaufort Sea, Strait of Juan de Fuca, and the Gulf of Maine including the disputed Machias Seal Island and North Rock
 
Croats shouldn't be allowed to be part of the EU until they are forced to recongize that Croatian and Serbian are dialects of the same language.
 
Croats shouldn't be allowed to be part of the EU until they are forced to recongize that Croatian and Serbian are dialects of the same language.

I think most Croats and Serbs admit that their language are the same and they are very closely related people.
 
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