Croatian war issue being resolved at the Hague, Croatia soon ready to join EU!

[Agent 1337]

It's illegal, so yes there's something wrong with it.

Just like gay marriage is wrong, right?

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Only reason Belarus and Ukraine aren't in there is probably because Russia's done a good job keeping them on a leash.

Belarus and Ukraine are probably an order of magnitude poorer or lower standard of living than, say, Czech Republic and Poland. Or even Romania and Bulgaria.

 

[Tee Kay]

Just like gay marriage is wrong, right?

In the eyes of the law (where gay marriage is illegal), yes of course.

Nice try.

 

[RedRalph]

I prefer Serbia to be honest... I'll just leave that there.

 

[Dachs]

Calm a moment... the crimes of Serbian army during that war are pretty clear, and Slobodan Milosevic carries the political responsibility for them together with his pals Radovan Karadic and Ratko Mladic.

[etc.]

It's easy to argue against an empty chair, ain't it?

 

[onedreamer]

-Part of Germany
-Poland
-Estonia
-Latvia
-Lithuania
-Slovenia
-Bulgaria
-Romania
-Czech Republic
-Slovakia
-Hungary

Well with Soviet Bloc I intend states of the Soviet Union. You intend any country or region of a country that has had or more commonly (among those you listed) was forced into a communist government for a time of their history.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

Slovenia is the best, they are the only ones that managed to become successful

 

[onedreamer]

in 1993 British stood and did nothing to stop Muslim campaigns in Central Bosnia launched in order to eliminate Croats of Central Bosnia, other than to naturally release spectacular amounts of propaganda to support it and block any sort of aid to Croats in Central Bosnia
UN peacekeepers, professional soldiers as they all were, were neck deep in smuggling and other black market operations
and the list goes on...

Knez, what do you think of the expulsion of Italians from Croatia? Just curious about it. That was more than just propaganda.

 

[knez]

Knez, what do you think of the expulsion of Italians from Croatia? Just curious about it. That was more than just propaganda.

few things

1) It was not expulsion from Croatia as such but mostly from Istria + cities of Rijeka and Zadar - there were no Italians at all in the biggest part of Italian occupied area of Croatia
2) It was relatively brutal as were most things that communists did, but not by far the most brutal (mass killings of the Croats and the things Germans went through after the war, those were really a bi.tc.h...)
3) In general, I'm OK with quasi colonists that came after 1918. (Sicily and so on) as a part of Italian policy and everybody who was a member of Italian administration or a member of a fascist party being forced to go, the rest I wouldn't mind staying
4) Trieste should have gone to Slovenia, as it was for centuries Austrian city having little or no connection to Italy, and was a center of region heavily dominated by Slovenians
5) interesting fact: Yugoslav communist wanted to do the same with Hungarians in todays northern Serbia and NE Croatia but USSR stopped them

 

[Takhisis]

'Relatively' brutal? I assume they didn't set every single person on fire then… forced relocation of Croats is bad, Croats relocating others is relatively bad?

 

[knez]

'Relatively' brutal? I assume they didn't set every single person on fire then… forced relocation of Croats is bad, Croats relocating others is relatively bad?

Yes, relatively brutal if communist were in question.
Do you have any idea whatsoever what kind of sh.i.t they where regularly doing?


Btw - did you even try to read my post?

 

[Kozmos]

Slovenia is the best, they are the only ones that managed to become successful

Errm that's because we bore the brunt of the Serb aggression, 40% of our economy went poof during the war.

And people did not murder themselves, the crimes of roving warbands of Chetniks overtly and covertly supported by Serb Army and President are pretty goddamn apparent if you were around here when it happened. The paperwork surrounding it is pretty hilarious though.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

Errm that's because we bore the brunt of the Serb aggression, 40% of our economy went poof during the war.

And people did not murder themselves, the crimes of roving warbands of Chetniks overtly and covertly supported by Serb Army and President are pretty goddamn apparent if you were around here when it happened. The paperwork surrounding it is pretty hilarious though.

we as Croatia, anyways ya, they were only at war for two weeks or something like that

 

[onedreamer]

few things

1) It was not expulsion from Croatia as such but mostly from Istria + cities of Rijeka and Zadar - there were no Italians at all in the biggest part of Italian occupied area of Croatia

Eh??? Istria was Italian before 1945, so I'm obviously speaking of Istria and the expulsion of Italians after the war. Unlike the muslim campaign in central Bosnia, this wasn't a public speach by some fanatical moron, it really happened.

2) It was relatively brutal as were most things that communists did, but not by far the most brutal (mass killings of the Croats and the things Germans went through after the war, those were really a bi.tc.h...)

I take it that communist =/= croatian?

3) In general, I'm OK with quasi colonists that came after 1918. (Sicily and so on) as a part of Italian policy and everybody who was a member of Italian administration or a member of a fascist party being forced to go, the rest I wouldn't mind staying

Quasi colonists? Man you are a joke. The italic and italian people have lived and dwelled in Istria and Dalmatia from before the slavs even settled there. The city of Dubrovnik is a copy of Venice.

4) Trieste should have gone to Slovenia, as it was for centuries Austrian city having little or no connection to Italy, and was a center of region heavily dominated by Slovenians

Centuries? Slovenians? Slovenians never existed in History as a country, how could they dominate Trieste? Open a real History book please.

5) interesting fact: Yugoslav communist wanted to do the same with Hungarians in todays northern Serbia and NE Croatia but USSR stopped them

Oh, this is second the theorem I guess:
Yugoslav =/= Croatian

 

[Kozmos]

Ah historic dick saber rattling, what fun. ALL OF IT WAS ILLYRIAN BEFORE THIEVES!

 

[onedreamer]

true, too bad that Slavs aren't Illyrians. It's always better to remember it because the balkanic slavs tend to forget this very often.

 

[knez]

Eh??? Istria was Italian before 1945, so I'm obviously speaking of Istria and the expulsion of Italians after the war. Unlike the muslim campaign in central Bosnia, this wasn't a public speach by some fanatical moron, it really happened.



I take it that communist =/= croatian?



Quasi colonists? Man you are a joke. The italic and italian people have lived and dwelled in Istria and Dalmatia from before the slavs even settled there. The city of Dubrovnik is a copy of Venice.



Centuries? Slovenians? Slovenians never existed in History as a country, how could they dominate Trieste? Open a real History book please.



Oh, this is second the theorem I guess:
Yugoslav =/= Croatian

"Italians" did not live in Istria for centuries (or the rest of Croatia for that matter), romanic people did, and they only became Italians during the 19th century
and I have nothing against those people as long as they have nothing against Croatia

anyway, are you really trying to deny expulsions and forced assimilation of Croats in Istria under Kingdom of Italy, together with colonization from Italian mainland?

on Trieste, it was an Austrian city, and never ever ever Italian, Italians were just one nation living there along with Austrians, Slovenians, Jews and so on
city was (officially...) some 3/4 of Italian, but the surrounding areas were and are Slovenian (just look at the damn map)

ah, that selective reading

true, too bad that Slavs aren't Illyrians. It's always better to remember it because the balkanic slavs tend to forget this very often.

actually, genetic studies seem to imply that for the biggest part, they are
and that Croats lead the way

 

[onedreamer]

"Italians" did not live in Istria for centuries (or the rest of Croatia for that matter), romanic people did, and they only became Italians during the 19th century

Oh sure, one day they literally transformed. "Roman" one day, "Italian" the day after. Really a serious argument. No surprise said from someone part of a people that out of the blue start to kill their evil Serb/Croat/Bosnian relatives/friends/colleagues.

anyway, are you really trying to deny expulsions and forced assimilation of Croats in Istria under Kingdom of Italy, together with colonization from Italian mainland?

uhm... where (did I try this)?

on Trieste, it was an Austrian city, and never ever ever Italian, Italians were just one nation living there along with Austrians, Slovenians, Jews and so on
city was (officially...) some 3/4 of Italian, but the surrounding areas were and are Slovenian (just look at the damn map)

Is your second name Metternich? Because you are as fun as he was.

actually, genetic studies seem to imply that for the biggest part, they are
and that Croats lead the way

Aha, I knew you would bring this up. That's why I mentioned it. I was only waiting for you to claim to be an Illyrian descendant. You're a really predictable lot, with the usual notable exceptions, sadly very rare on this forum.

 

[knez]

Oh sure, one day they literally transformed. "Roman" one day, "Italian" the day after. Really a serious argument. No surprise said from someone part of a people that out of the blue start to kill their evil Serb/Croat/Bosnian relatives/friends/colleagues.

err, prejudice and ignorance
lame insults

uhm... where (did I try this)?

right here

...
3) In general, I'm OK with quasi colonists that came after 1918. (Sicily and so on) as a part of Italian policy and everybody who was a member of Italian administration or a member of a fascist party being forced to go, the rest I wouldn't mind staying
...

...
Quasi colonists? Man you are a joke. The italic and italian people have lived and dwelled in Istria and Dalmatia from before the slavs even settled there...
...

on my statement I don't mind "colonists" from Italy that were settled in Italian occupied parts of Croatia after 1918. (as a part of official policy of Kingdom of Italy, by the way) and people who implemented that policy being expelled from Croatia (notice how I didn't mention Italians living in Croatia who were there before 1918.)
you gave a replay that implied (even more so because people here in general know nothing about Istrian and Dalmatian history) that I was
1) laying and
2) there were no such colonists, just some peaceful Italians living there like forever

Is your second name Metternich? Because you are as fun as he was.

more lame insults...

Aha, I knew you would bring this up. That's why I mentioned it. I was only waiting for you to claim to be an Illyrian descendant.

And by that I claim what? Other peoples lands? Or what? Seriously?
On the other hand you are using Rome and small romanised populations on the east Adriatic coast to justify Italian grab for other peoples land while your claim to Roman heritage is no more relevant then French, Spanish or even ours if we would be so pathetic to make one (or did you forget where did all those emperors came from and what was their power base)...
one question: how many Italians lived in Albania?

You're a really predictable lot, with the usual notable exceptions, sadly very rare on this forum.

even more lame insults...
you've really got me this time...