Croatian war issue being resolved at the Hague, Croatia soon ready to join EU!

[Lone Wolf]

I think that a Great Balkan Sea would solve these problems quite nicely. I'd keep Dalmatia though, it's sort of cool.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, we'd need some beaches, otherwise having a sea is pointless

 

[Joecoolyo]

life standard per capita?
no 500 years of war with Turks and 100 with Serbs

global projection of power?
size

We started out with a rebellion, and two hundred year later (mind you, after a civil war, two world wars, and countless other conflicts) we are the world's only superpower.

What are your accomplishments? Getting into a scrape with every single one of your neighbors?

Or being a country that most people don't even know exists?

 

[Takhisis]

a country that most people don't even know exists

Only in America, kiddo.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Only in America, kiddo.

Hey, don't yall be dowsing my nationalistic fervor

 

[SG-17]

Serbs are Orthodox, Croats are Catholic, but the Serbs are the worst, their vision of Great Serbia always starts it

This is one of the main problems. You Balkaners are always so quick to blame one another and cling to your flags and guns (not that any other nation hasn't done the same, but at least it isn't a constant for the rest of us) instead of sitting down and trying to discuss the real issues without shooting one another.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Could be that they have an understanding of the issues beyond what they vaguely recall from reading an American High School History Text-Book.

 

[Kozmos]

Well...I was angry a lot when I was younger at the Serbs and whatnot, dad fought in the war and all. Then I discovered this thing called sex, drugs and rock & roll. I knew Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil and that this rock thing was true. I found myself in love with the world and couldn't do anything but ding a ling a ling my dong along the long with whoever want to party. Nationalism is irrelevant in face of good music and booze.

 

[SG-17]

Could be that they have an understanding of the issues beyond what they vaguely recall from reading an American High School History Text-Book.

Their issues do not, hell no issues merits violent wars and genocide.

 

[onedreamer]

Hague tribunal is a joke...

The only joke about the Balkanic area are Balkanic people.

From what I've heard, Europe keeps getting growing pains from allowing the former Soviet bloc into the EU. Coupled with the financial crisis things'll just get worse.

I think you heard wrong, the soviet bloc isn't into the EU yet.

Free trade, free travel, disputes settled by diplomacy, high standard of living, money being spent on programs that are actually worth something instead of being spent to make bullets and bombs.

I wouldn't be so optimistic, given that Yugoslavia had everything you listed, and it ended in a bloodshed.

I think that a Great Balkan Sea would solve these problems quite nicely. I'd keep Dalmatia though, it's sort of cool.

There is no Balkan Sea, there is the Adriatic sea which belongs to Italy, as well as Dalmatia and Istria. About time Croatians and Slovenians give it back to Italy. This would solve their petty disputes, too!

 

[GamezRule]

The Balkans are so cute when they want to be!

 

[knez]

So, basically, no one is really interested in discussing the topic (involvement of your countries, your soldiers, your politicians in the bloodshed and writing of history that followed in order to blame it all on the filthy barbarians - Hague tribunal) , all of you have prejudice against people in SE Europe and consider them to be barbarians, and more of less nobody would mind to play a little game of imperialism and rearrange some borders or create a oppressing super-national county because it seems kind of cool to you?

Go figure

 

[warpus]

I'm glad Croatia will be joining. It's a good move for the EU and a good move for Hrvatia.

 

[onedreamer]

So, basically, no one is really interested in discussing the topic (involvement of your countries, your soldiers, your politicians in the bloodshed and writing of history that followed in order to blame it all on the filthy barbarians - Hague tribunal) , all of you have prejudice against people in SE Europe and consider them to be barbarians, and more of less nobody would mind to play a little game of imperialism and rearrange some borders or create a oppressing super-national county because it seems kind of cool to you?

Go figure

Personally I don't have pre-judices, I have a judice about what you write though, which is a mix of generalizations, prejudices and blatant lies coupled with a total disrespect for other peoples and nations and especially western institutions, they can be hypocritical as much as you want, I can agree, but then don't come ask to join them if you publicly speak about them like this and clean your bottom with the European flag only to claim that it is legal to do it.

I sincerly hope your attitude isn't representative of the one of the majority of croatians because otherwise I strongly disagree with Warpus.

 

[wolfigor]

oh well when Slobdan dies in the Hague no one questions it because the "Hague is civilized"
And that is even more damning evidence of the Hauge's one sidedness, that Slobodan was killed before he was even found guilty.

Calm a moment... the crimes of Serbian army during that war are pretty clear, and Slobodan Milosevic carries the political responsibility for them together with his pals Radovan Karadic and Ratko Mladic.

Not only Serbia invaded Croatia and Bosnia in war of aggression, but also went on a spree of ethnic cleansing, genocide, and mass rape.

In Croatia:
Baćin massacre
Bruška massacre
Dalj massacre (led by notorious war criminal Arkan)
Saborsko massacre
Lovas massacre
Široka Kula massacre
Škabrnja massacre
Voćin massacre
Vukovar massacre

There were also prison camps, where Croatian prisoners of war and civilians were kept by Serbian authorities.
Begejci camp (Logor Begejci) in Begejci near Zrenjanin, Serbia.
Sremska Mitrovica camp in Sremska Mitrovica, Serbia.
Stajićevo camp (Logor Stajićevo) in Stajićevo near Zrenjanin.

According to Croatian Association of Prisoners in Serbian Concentration Camps, a total of 8,000 Croatian civilians and Prisoners of war (a large number after the fall of Vukovar) went through Serb prison camps such as Sremska Mitrovica camp, Stajićevo camp, Niš camp and many others where many were heavily abused and tortured. A total of 300 people never returned from them.

In Bosnia:
Serbian paramilitary forces and Army of the Republika Srpska committed numerous war crimes against Bosnian civilian population during the Bosnian War:
Ahatovići massacre
Foča massacres
Korićani Cliffs massacre
Prijedor massacre
Višegrad massacre
Tuzla Massacre
Paklenik Massacre
Markale massacres
Srebrenica massacre
Srebrenica Children Massacre

There were several concentration and prison camps in Bosnia, run by Serbs:
Omarska camp
Keraterm camp
Manjača camp
Trnopolje camp
Uzamnica camp
Vilina Vlas

The International Court of Justice confirmed the ICTY judgment that the Srebrenica massacre was genocide.

Full references at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_war_crimes_in_the_Yugoslav_Wars#War_crimes

 

[Tee Kay]

So, basically, no one is really interested in discussing the topic (involvement of your countries, your soldiers, your politicians in the bloodshed and writing of history that followed in order to blame it all on the filthy barbarians - Hague tribunal) , all of you have prejudice against people in SE Europe and consider them to be barbarians, and more of less nobody would mind to play a little game of imperialism and rearrange some borders or create a oppressing super-national county because it seems kind of cool to you?

Cry me a river. Or read your posts again and try to figure out why no one's taking you seriously. Hint: it's something to do with prejudices. Yours.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Actually reading the OP, it says we protected the Serbs. I don't recall that. I recall the UN protecting the Bosnians and Croats, but due to the UN being given orders not to fire, they just stood by as innocent people were butchered.

More likely, I imagined our job as peacekeepers was to prevent violence on both sides. Or... try to, you know, with being unable to fire. Nobody likes to actually get blood on their hands or have soldiers come home in caskets, so we send troops there on vacation and claim to be doing something.

I see plenty of hate on both sides of the Balkans issue. It's hardly one side being worse than the others. Serbia just opened fire first and so it gets villified. That and it was defeated, so it got the same treatment Germany did in World War I - villification by merit of being the loser.

This is what a peacekeeping mission, if it's true to its function, is supposed to do. It's supposed to recognise the hatred and violence on all sides and try to keep them from getting at eachother. Think of it as two people going at eachother, while their friends pull them apart, trying to end the violence rather than amplify it.

I think you heard wrong, the soviet bloc isn't into the EU yet.

-Part of Germany
-Poland
-Estonia
-Latvia
-Lithuania
-Slovenia
-Bulgaria
-Romania
-Czech Republic
-Slovakia
-Hungary

Think I got 'em all.

Only reason Belarus and Ukraine aren't in there is probably because Russia's done a good job keeping them on a leash.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

We can talk about this for hours, the fact is we go to war every 40-50 years.

 

[Kraznaya]

Glad CFC finally has a Ustase plant. With Winner gone the crazies were starting to become underrepresented.

 

[knez]

Glad CFC finally has a Ustase plant. With Winner gone the crazies were starting to become underrepresented.

I would only ever invoke ustaše in order to annoy the left, but youre just not worth it...
sorry

Actually reading the OP, it says we protected the Serbs. I don't recall that. I recall the UN protecting the Bosnians and Croats, but due to the UN being given orders not to fire, they just stood by as innocent people were butchered.

More likely, I imagined our job as peacekeepers was to prevent violence on both sides. Or... try to, you know, with being unable to fire. Nobody likes to actually get blood on their hands or have soldiers come home in caskets, so we send troops there on vacation and claim to be doing something.
...

UN weapons embargo was aimed at those not heaving weapons
only tangible thing UN peacekeepers did was to impose status quo helping Serbs to hold their overextended positions and thus prolonging the war for a year to two years
UN peacekeepers (Canadians) attacked (with like, real bullets) Croatian army while we were trying to clear a terrorist nest used for shelling one of our cities - and on the other side watched massive butchering Serbs did and never ever ever did anything
in 1993 British stood and did nothing to stop Muslim campaigns in Central Bosnia launched in order to eliminate Croats of Central Bosnia, other than to naturally release spectacular amounts of propaganda to support it and block any sort of aid to Croats in Central Bosnia
UN peacekeepers, professional soldiers as they all were, were neck deep in smuggling and other black market operations
and the list goes on...