Crusader Kings 2
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Well that sounds balling. How often do Paradox games go on sale on Steam?
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mechaerik
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Amazon also has the occasional bundle sales that include CK2 and other games (sometimes with DLC, sometimes without) for very good prices.
The sales are nominally US only, but you can get them even outside the US by entering a US address during checkout.
The sales are nominally US only, but you can get them even outside the US by entering a US address during checkout.
cybrxkhan
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There's plenty of sites that offer Paradox sales every once a while - and other games too, as well. You just have to keep checking them pretty much every day. I picked up the original CKII for $10 on Amazon then Sword of Islam and a couple of the DLC for 5$ on the steam sale.
Anyways, other than steam or amazon, keep checking on greenmangaming, impulse, and gamersgate - there's also a few other digital distribution sites too, I think - although do note if I remember correctly that the gamersgate version is incompatible with other digital versions.
Anyways, other than steam or amazon, keep checking on greenmangaming, impulse, and gamersgate - there's also a few other digital distribution sites too, I think - although do note if I remember correctly that the gamersgate version is incompatible with other digital versions.
cybrxkhan
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Although I think Crusader Kings II is fine if you buy steam and retail (i.e. other digital distrubitors). Worked for me.
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So is the AHD expansion for Victoria 2. Newer games might not have the problem.
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I was under the impression that was only a Vicky problem to start with.
Not CKII. Every non Gamersgate version is the Steam version.
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The multiplayer problem, if that is what you are talking about, came from some added code Steam put in EU3 (and perhaps also other games), AFAIK without Paradox consent or knowledge, that changed the checksum. This was fixed, and hasn't happened since.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?633439-The-4letter-match-codes
Say, what do you tend to do with your king titles once/if you become emperor? Do you keep one and give away the others, thus decreasing the number of potential rebellions after sucession while increasing their danger, or do you keep them for yourself? I used to distribute most of them, but it was always expensive (kings being generally far richer than dukes, and thus requiring much pricier gifts), and while rebellions were scarce, they were also very bad, especially if one vassal king managed to accumulate several kingdoms. I only fought rebel kings to white peace (peace ASAP as a snowball of king revolts is outright catastrophe). Now I'm experimenting with keeping all king titles to myself. More rebellions, but easy to crush completely, with the side benefit of being able to take a county from the imprisoned rebel duke and give it to some courtier with a claim on some duchy I'd like to absorb into the empire. Also, less costly in gifts, and in the worst case each rebel can always be crushed by mere 3-4 merc troupes, one by one, at least in theory. Though I haven't had a chain rebellion of dukes in this game yet, thankfully, so I'm not sure how well that theory translates into practice.
So what's your experience/tactics for succession?
So what's your experience/tactics for succession?
cybrxkhan
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PAUSE THE GAME IMMEDIATELY.
Usually, what I do is if my old ruler is nearing old age, I tend to stockpile cash. Why? Even if the heir has some cash himself, a little more won't hurt. I use this money to send as gifts to uppity vassals and family members who hate the new ruler (because of claims).
Next, I check to see if my council is still intact - if the new ruler was previously already a ruler of some other place (for instance, sometimes I make my heirs a count of someplace if I'm a duke or king so they can "gain" "experience"), then their council will sometimes be their old council, not the old ruler's. I make the necessary switches, of course.
Finally, another preventive measure i usually do in the previous ruler's reign - I make my heir the mentor of all his siblings. Doing this ensures his siblings have a +25 relations boost with him (for being their mentor) and is a bit of insurance against some nice sibling rivalry in the future - it doesn't guarantee it won't happen, but it helps. What I usually do is mentor the other kids myself until a month or so before they turn 16, then give them over to my heir - that way, I can still choose the kids traits (instead of the AI which is kind of random), but the heir is technically still the kids' mentor and the heir usually has my career trait or whatever so it works out fine.
Oh, and panic, yeah, that's a good tip.
Well, panic, stockpiling cash and pause are all stuff I do already. Interesting idea about the mentorship switcheroo, though. Gotta try that one.
So what do you think is better, stockpiling king titles or king vassals?
In my current game, I'm Emperor of Britannia & King of Brittany, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Portugal, England, Mauretania, Aquitania, France and Leon (in order of creation), all A-C primogeniture absolute monarchies, and survived one succession with only 3 or 4 duke rebelling, and they were so kind as to rebel sequentially instead of all at the same time. But I kinda fear the next succession.
Oh and BTW, anyone else destroy the kingdom titles after usurping (and voluntarily vassaling every de jure vassal who's willing to, after gifts), and then re-create them to have the usurped title (usually some horrible minimal authority gavelkind junk) turn into the level of your primary title (i.e. absolute primogeniture)? Might cause a revolt or two due to the hit to vassal opinion, but I think it's hardly a difference from increasing authority and changing succession laws normally, in fact it's probably a significantly lower hit and to less people to boot.
So what do you think is better, stockpiling king titles or king vassals?
In my current game, I'm Emperor of Britannia & King of Brittany, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Portugal, England, Mauretania, Aquitania, France and Leon (in order of creation), all A-C primogeniture absolute monarchies, and survived one succession with only 3 or 4 duke rebelling, and they were so kind as to rebel sequentially instead of all at the same time. But I kinda fear the next succession.
Oh and BTW, anyone else destroy the kingdom titles after usurping (and voluntarily vassaling every de jure vassal who's willing to, after gifts), and then re-create them to have the usurped title (usually some horrible minimal authority gavelkind junk) turn into the level of your primary title (i.e. absolute primogeniture)? Might cause a revolt or two due to the hit to vassal opinion, but I think it's hardly a difference from increasing authority and changing succession laws normally, in fact it's probably a significantly lower hit and to less people to boot.
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Unlike duchies, they won't hate you for holding more than 2 kingdoms.
However, when I play, I rather skip the prestige and save the gold from creating/usurping kingdoms because the "de jure" claims are often a bad way to expand (as only one county can be won per war and either your new vassal will hate you or you'll get a 10 year old truce with your neighbour) and the less kingdoms you have, the less plots and grief you'll get from vassals as they won't be trying to fabricate claims on them and there won't be relation hits like "-25 desires the kingdom of x".
Creating/usurping kingdoms means instant expansion through peacevassaling. Usually pretty much all de jure vassals of the kingdom (except the one you usurped the title from) will be willing to vassalize.
Fastest way to expand is being emperor, inviting people with claim on whole kingdoms, giving them some remote county and then pressing that claim. But then you don't get the king title yourself. Other than that, doing the same with ducal claims and holy wars work the best (I usually use holy wars to get counties which I can then distribute among claimants on Christian duchies that I can't HW for).
The only problem with holy wars is that I hate fighting in the Middle East - supply limits are low, attrition is immense, garrisons are large and distances are huge. Kinda makes my preferred blitzkrieg strategy hard to apply (I usually gather up a huge army and crush counties one by one in matter of a few days). Especially bad when your capital is on the other end of the world, like mine ATM (Nantes).
Fastest way to expand is being emperor, inviting people with claim on whole kingdoms, giving them some remote county and then pressing that claim. But then you don't get the king title yourself. Other than that, doing the same with ducal claims and holy wars work the best (I usually use holy wars to get counties which I can then distribute among claimants on Christian duchies that I can't HW for).
The only problem with holy wars is that I hate fighting in the Middle East - supply limits are low, attrition is immense, garrisons are large and distances are huge. Kinda makes my preferred blitzkrieg strategy hard to apply (I usually gather up a huge army and crush counties one by one in matter of a few days). Especially bad when your capital is on the other end of the world, like mine ATM (Nantes).
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