[RD] Cultural Appropriation: The Solution?

In my experience school actually served to influence me to the right— both my parents were and are anarchists themselves and going to school put me in an environment of homophobia and racism, which I rapidly internalized. It wasn’t until later that I grew up and realized my parents had been right all along.

Parents are often right, though not always. Not surprised yours wouldn't be an exception. Thought it'd probably be a bit much to think they were always right. They were probably wrong about lots of stuff first, then less stuff later. Just like probably you. Just like definitely me. They also learned from their experiences and environment. I think I refine into a better product by the year. My parents are still refining themselves too, and they're into their seventh decades. They get smarter and kinder by the year, various repetitive old noises* in the culture attempting to redefine virtue by person rather than action not withstanding. It's a bit unsettling.

*The key signatures change, the hooks not as much.
 
Well, if you just thought it looked cool and aren't using them as a stereotype, unless there's some unique significance to sombrero (of which I'm not aware), then honestly, to me, I have no issue with what you're doing.

Others may disagree. I can't speak for them, one way or the other.
There is no stereotyping going on here. It's just me expressing a bit of humor. It's a couple of Star Trek aliens having a new experience; as Seven of Nine says, "Fun will now commence." And while I could have used other types of headwear on these smileys, I would not use a Native American headdress. Yes, there's an Invision-style set of Indian headdress-wearing smileys, but while the set exists, I've never seen it used anywhere.
 
In my experience school actually served to influence me to the right— both my parents were and are anarchists themselves and going to school put me in an environment of homophobia and racism, which I rapidly internalized. It wasn’t until later that I grew up and realized my parents had been right all along.
"I wasn't easily influenced in school, proof being I was easily influenced toward homophobia and racism, and then easily influenced back toward anarchism" ?
 
"I wasn't easily influenced in school, proof being I was easily influenced toward homophobia and racism, and then easily influenced back toward anarchism" ?

Poor reading comprehension. “I was easily influenced by school, towards the right. It was my community, family, and my personal journey that returned me to the correct leftism.”
 
Poor reading comprehension. “I was easily influenced by school, towards the right. It was my community, family, and my personal journey that returned me to the correct leftism.”
Seems I'm not the one with poor reading comprehension. Because what you say is basically a rephrasing of what you're attempting to counter.

As you seem to have some trouble to get it : I think you're an influenceable youth with a severe lack of critical thinking and experience, who is simply parroting what his environment is telling him.
And you're attempting to claim "no I'm not" by explaining how your did just that.
 
What I’m trying to refute is that school indoctrinates kids to leftism. I don’t really care what you think of me, but it’s important you know there isn’t some kind of SJeW conspiracy in the children’s schools. You’re an impressionable elderly person who’s been exposed to lots of right-wing propaganda and is parroting it, which I’d like to counter.
 
Political "battle-lining" this is pretty much indicative of whiffing here, man.

Though, it is hard to consider being less than correct if you're wearing a cool enough hat. :lol:
 
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What I’m trying to refute is that school indoctrinates kids to leftism. I don’t really care what you think of me, but it’s important you know there isn’t some kind of SJeW conspiracy in the children’s schools. You’re an impressionable elderly person who’s been exposed to lots of right-wing propaganda and is parroting it, which I’d like to counter.

I think it tends to be universities that are SJW-ish, not high school, unless you were indeed talking about university.
 
And given the protections lend to lillywhite ethnic products like, say, Scotch whisky, an often legitimate one.
The Protected Designation of Origin seems like a good model to guard against cultural appropriation. I don't know if it's been used for non-agricultural or non-food products.

UNESCO's Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists would be a good starting point for intellectual property protections in this area. I envision the creation of bodies representing said cultures that work to preserve these traditions and ensure fair trading.
 
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The Protected Designation of Origin seems like a good model to guard against cultural appropriation. I don't know if it's been used for non-agricultural or non-food products.

UNESCO's Intangible Cultural Heritage Lists would be a good starting point for intellectual property protections in this area. I envision the creation of bodies representing said cultures that work to preserve these traditions and ensure fair trading.

But those are commercial restrictions that apply to the selling/branding of products. How can you apply that to, say, someone wearing a hat?
 
Maybe i am totally wrong but it looks to me that the third point is the key here. So, it is not about dignity or respect but about bussiness. I think all this cultural appropriation thing comes from a very specifical north American issue which is the reason of us foreigners not getting it. It is all about natives in North America making money from his cultural heritage and about having the monopoly to do so. I wont go deeper in this specific topic since i know near to nothing about the current situation of natives in North America. Maybe overprotected? Do they really live of marketing his cultural heritage? I dont really know.

There's definitely economic components to appropriation that are reflected in Europe as well. Look at, e.g. EEC restrictions for cultural/historic produce: who does and does not get to call their cheese Parmiggiano-Reggiano or Gruyère, or who gets to call their distilled alcoholic beverage "Scotch", that sort of thing. Europeans definitely recognize the cultural importance of preserving both their historic products as a cohesive, distinctive cultural unit, and in preserving the monopolistic right of that culture to profit off that cultural unit.

I mean, based on how Europeans I've interacted with in the states react to US "parmesan cheese" or California-originating Bruts that are passed off as "Champagne", it's clear to me that Europeans aren't at all immune to taking offense at cultural appropriation, or the American profiting therefrom. The only difference is that these foodstuffs don't have deep-seated religious components, or aren't rooted in centuries of systematic oppression and exploitation onto which the American profiteering serves merely as an added insult to the injury of past atrocities.
 
You can't. I mean, you can't perfectly legislate any issue ; in that cultural appropriation is no different. But on a scale of cultural appropriation, there are better and worse cases. An isolated case of someone wearing a hat stupidly does not warrant legislation, because the harm is overall minimal. In the vast majority of case, it's the commercial usage that are most harmful, because they have the potential to reach and affect a much wider audience, and to cause far more harm as a result.

In some cases (ie, ceremonial gear, etc), a total ban outside the ceremonial use may also be warranted. This, too, is not entirely unheard of: for example, US law bans the manufacture or sale of medals of honor. Only the government may make and award medals of honor. Applying the same principle to items that have similar meaning in other cultures would not be unjustified.
 
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But those are commercial restrictions that apply to the selling/branding of products.
Which is arguably the most damaging form of cultural appropriation. Not only is the cultural context stripped away by the commodification process, the appropriation is made easier and more accessible to many. And as Traitorfish has said, it's not the members of the culture that reap the reward, but the approriators
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How can you apply that to, say, someone wearing a hat?
Only social norms can guard against that. Much like how homophobic jokes are a faux pas now.
 
Which is arguably the most damaging form of cultural appropriation.

It's certainly the only form of cultural appropriation where I would think any kind of legislative solution might be warranted/helpful.
 
Are the EU regulations in place to protect the culture or are they in order to ensure for the consumer that the product is genuine? And how far does this go? Could you still sell whisky for example as long as it's not Scottish Whisky? And are people offended because they think their culture has been "stolen" or because they think the product is so inferior? And can people who are not from that background able to produce the product as long as they produce it in the required method?
 
Are the EU regulations in place to protect the culture or are they in order to ensure for the consumer that the product is genuine?

I don't understand, what do you think the difference is between these two?
 
A product could not be made the traditional way and also not seen as a threat to the culture. Also people would likely be less hung up on the ethnicity/race of the person making it.
 
Are the EU regulations in place to protect the culture or are they in order to ensure for the consumer that the product is genuine? And how far does this go? Could you still sell whisky for example as long as it's not Scottish Whisky? And are people offended because they think their culture has been "stolen" or because they think the product is so inferior? And can people who are not from that background able to produce the product as long as they produce it in the required method?

Both. Producing the genuine article is often far more laborious and far more expensive to do. Usually the difference between American "Parmesan" or "Gruyère" is a) milk is coming from cows raised on factory farms, and b) aging process is shorter on a factor of years (I think genuine Parmiggiano-Reggiano is something like minimum 2-3 years of aging, while American "Parmesan" is often under a month. I know with Gruyère, the milk is required to come from free-ranging cows in specific Swiss/French alpine farms, while American "Gruyère-style" cheese is often, again, made with factory cows and minimal aging. In the US, the difference in price between these products is often quite stark - you can get a pound of "Parmesan" cheese retails for around $15/lb while Parmiggiano-Reggiano is more than double that, and the difference in taste is in most cases and for most people, largely imperceptible.

French and Italian governments hand out extensive subsidies to keep these cultural institutions competitive, and often enforce trade restrictions to prevent cheap American knock-offs from flooding local European markets. Partially it comes down to preserving a standard of quality and the genuine product, but part of it also is recognition that Alpine Cheeses like Swiss and Gruyère, or Italian aged cheeses like Parmiggiano-Reggiano, or traditional European alcoholic products like Rioja or Porto or Champagne or Scotch Whisky or whatever are cultural artifacts that are worth preserving in their traditional way, and the respective governments are happy to provide subsidies, tariffs, and product-restrictions that ensure both that the product is able to continue to exist and that the form in which that product continues to exist is consistent with traditional or historical practices.

This is even more pronounced in the case of alcohol, where often times it isn't even just the distillation process alone, but rather the very region or distillery which produces it which determines who gets to call themselves what. What this means, in practice, is that it has literally nothing to do with quality, and everything to do with preserving traditional/historic cultural practices.

A Californian winery could produce a Brut with Champagne grapes, with harvesters from Champagne, with barrels from Champagne, packaged in bottles from Champagne, using exactly the same practices and techniques as a Champagne winery, but they will never get to sell their product as Champagne in France, simply because they don't come from the region of Champagne. The same is true of Scotch Whisky. If it isn't made from one of a select group of distilleries in Northern Scotland, you don't get to call yourself Scotch Whisky and the UK has entire regulatory boards to punish people trying to pass-off their otherwise identical "knock-off".

The US does this as well. This is the primary reason why Jack Daniels is not called Bourbon. There are literally only two things about Jack Daniels that make it not a bourbon:

1) They aren't from Kentucky
2) They have a sugar filtration process mid-distillation

Otherwise it is practically identical to bourbon in every respect, and a layman taster probably wouldn't notice a difference between Jack Daniels and, say, Jim Beam. But because it's not from Kentucky, it's rather a "Tennessee Whiskey"
 
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Are the EU regulations in place to protect the culture or are they in order to ensure for the consumer that the product is genuine? And how far does this go? Could you still sell whisky for example as long as it's not Scottish Whisky? And are people offended because they think their culture has been "stolen" or because they think the product is so inferior? And can people who are not from that background able to produce the product as long as they produce it in the required method?

Product names tied to type are tied to specific country only as a result of lobbying in the Eu. Happens with a number of products, usually foods and drinks. This isn't at all about 'cultural appropriation', in that it is entirely money-related (company rights to branding a food as known type).
Besides, it would have been rather ridiculous to argue that those foods are somehow important regarding a 'national culture'. No one is quite that easily triggered.

Moreover, some products are termed in a way which mentions where they are from. Eg Parian marble is only from the island of Paros; the marble used to build greek temples since the ancient era.
 
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