Current Situation in Iraq: thoughts? Solutions?

[Snorrius]

Is this a troll post?

I've just took Human Development Index, top ten countries and checked are they monarchy or something else. I would suggest to check ten countries at the bottom. There are no monarchies, and they all have universal suffrage.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If you break it you bought it.

But the US got bored of the country they broke and split. It's really no surprise that things have not gone well. Bit of an understatement that really, I periodically look up human rights reports on Iraq and it's shocking reading. Torture is now more commonplace than it was under Saddam, Iraq rapidly became the most dangerous country in the world to be a journalist, womens rights have sprinted backwards and violence keeps increasing.

The only potentailly good news at the moment is Kurdish independance - except that they've tried to claim more territory than they should have done (typical humans, gotta screw up a good thing).

I agree in principle with 'you break it you bought it', but in practice keeping it was only delaying the civil war, not preventing it.

Generally speaking every attempt throughout history by any nation to 'gift' another nation with 'our better way to govern yourselves' has failed miserably, except in the rare cases where those so 'gifted' had the bad luck of all getting killed in the process and leaving their lands to their 'benefactors'. The only way American style democracy was ever going to work in Iraq was if the Americans stayed until they vastly outnumbered the survivors.

 

[JollyRoger]

I thought after the American government's solution in Iraq failed, that those in the American private sector that that the war in Iraq was a great thing would go in and prove how much more efficient and effective a private sector solution could be.

 

[Tahuti]

Is this a troll post?

Why would it be?

 

[Princeps]

Why would it be?

European monarchies are not genuine ruling institutions, only figureheads.

 

[Snorrius]

European monarchies are not genuine ruling institutions, only figureheads.

In this case it seems countries with "figureheads" still fare better then those without. And in the case of Arab countries monarchies are much better off then "democracies".

 

[Tahuti]

European monarchies are not genuine ruling institutions, only figureheads.

That doesn't mean their existence cannot bring a positive influence onto their locality's politics.

In this case it seems countries with "figureheads" still fare better then those without.

Of course, you should be wary of conflating correlation with causation, though there is a decently good case to make that monarchies make a prosperous society more feasible.

 

[Angst]

I've just took Human Development Index, top ten countries and checked are they monarchy or something else. I would suggest to check ten countries at the bottom. There are no monarchies, and they all have universal suffrage.

If you came here and started preaching about us thriving due to "living in a monarchy", you'd be laughed at. A lot. The monarchy is only half-arsedly de jure and near meaningless in real life.

 

[Tahuti]

If you came here and started preaching about us thriving due to "living in a monarchy", you'd be laughed at. A lot. The monarchy is only half-arsedly de jure and near meaningless in real life.

Well, you'd be surprised how much the monarchy is a sort of moral compass here in the Netherlands.

Also this:


Link to video.

 

[Angst]

Well I know that the "monarchy" has some good points. But even those are heavily disputed internally and absolutely peripheral to the prosperity of the "Kingdom" of Denmark.

 

[Snorrius]

If you came here and started preaching about us thriving due to "living in a monarchy", you'd be laughed at. A lot. The monarchy is only half-arsedly de jure and near meaningless in real life.

Laughing at someone who have merely stated some obvious but for some reason disliked fact is well-know psychological defense.

I've just wrote top ten countries in HDI and whether they are monarchies or not. Why it makes you so uncomfortable?

 

[Tahuti]

Laughing at someone who have merely stated some obvious but for some reason disliked fact is well-know psychological defense.

I've just wrote top ten countries in HDI and whether they are monarchies or not. Why it makes you so uncomfortable?

Because... hereditary succession, OMG!

 

[Angst]

I'm seriously baffled at your posts. I'm not sure whether you are trolling or simply that naive.

Kingdom of Denmark must be a kingdom. Democratic People's Republic of Korea must be a democratic republic.

I mean details don't matter. We just have to abide to the obvious but disliked facts, right?

EDIT: It was for Snorrius. Sorry Kai.

 

[Tahuti]

Let me add that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea deserves its name: It operates under an ideology in which the state is equated to everyone within it and everyone within it is equated with the state. A monarchy differentiates between the king and its subjects. This incentivises governments to act as responsible stewards that act on behalf of the king. While a constitutional monarchy may grant less power to a king than I migth personally like, its effects are noticable.

 

[Antilogic]

EDIT: It was for Snorrius. Sorry Kai.

You should probably retract that apology.

 

[Angst]

Yea I was thinking about it, but I find his posts less obtuse of some reason.

 

[Snorrius]

I mean details don't matter. We just have to abide to the obvious but disliked facts, right?

If you want details then the details are that among monarchies constitutional ones fare better than absolute ones. Among Arab countries monarchies in general fare better than Arab non-monarchies.

And yes, Denmark is kingdom, they are lucky to have it.

Now, I just quoted HDI. I do not really understand why you so hyped up. I did not intented to turn it to full predged discussion about forms of governments, but general inferiority (with certain exceptions of course) of democracies comparing to monarchies is common knowledge. At least to anyone who have read Aristotle and Plato.

 

[Angst]

Aristotle and Plato.

 

[Snorrius]

Aristotle and Plato.

It seems like not only only you defy HDI but Aristotle and Plato as well.

What next?

 

[Angst]

I have no issue with HDI but your rendition of Denmark and Norway as monarchies is just hilariously wrong.

And you drawing in Aristotle and Plato renders me quite baffled in this regard. They are fine in some regards, but... Not fine in this.

I'd argue but not about Aristotle and Plato. Please tell me why I live in a monarchy and why it's more important as an institutional power than the other governing structures present in my homeland. I'm looking forward to it.