Current v1.13 Development Discussion
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The Diocletian
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OK, I can see your logic in this, and even though I'm a little sad to see it go, it's probably for the better.
Nope, I had this planned for a while already.
New commit:
- fixed a potential crash in the city flip code
- moved resources around Moscow so that settling south becomes less appealing
- changed requirements to cut contact so that contacts cannot be lost if any of the two civs can currently see the other's territory
- adjusted AI behavior so that it doesn't disband its starting army
- vassal stability level is reset to shaky (if lower) on vassalization
- fixed a potential crash in the city flip code
- moved resources around Moscow so that settling south becomes less appealing
- changed requirements to cut contact so that contacts cannot be lost if any of the two civs can currently see the other's territory
- adjusted AI behavior so that it doesn't disband its starting army
- vassal stability level is reset to shaky (if lower) on vassalization
Imperator Knoedel
Currently obsessed with The Owl House
But what about Inverness?
Imperator Knoedel
Currently obsessed with The Owl House
Since the bonus to settling on resources has been removed, what is one to do as England?
Chep
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has this also fixed the capitol-has-no-palace-bug?
FinalLegendZero
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Smaller than that, actually - cities on the island of Java don't give the full yield of resources they're settled on. Cities in Sri Lanka give full yield though.
Tigranes
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Ok, Leoreth, I think it's time to have some straight talk about settling on resources. Can you please provide sensible answers for the next 6(six) step?
Step 1. Think Britain, for example. The island has 22 tiles, 13 of which are resource tiles. 60%. Things look even scarier in Indochina, and many other useful places. Compared to vanila we do have general overabundance of resources. Would you agree with that?
Step 2. Most cities in RL did in fact find their locations because people decided to settle "on" the resources, given the scale of the tile in global mod. There are mining towns. There are coal towns. There are gold rush towns. There is even Uranium City. You can interpret city tile like this: what did original founders of the city did shortly after they settled. Working tiles in BFC (countryside) is a subsequent development (unless it is a fisherman village). Would you agree that many important cities did settle on resources, given the scale of the map?
Step 3. Vanila BTS punishes settling on resources. Resources there make 10-15 % of useful land tiles, not 60%. What if they they had the opposite rule by default? Would you come up with idea of deliberately changing vanila while modding this global mod?
Step 4. What is your problem to begin with? When one settles a city it does automatically improve city tile, correct? It gets there road and a farm, and later one gets a railroad for free. What is the logical contradiction if the city automatically improves it's tile in accordance with what that tile is, not just a farm every time?
Step 5. If you have answered something like -- resources make settling too deterministic to my taste, I would say -- how about now? No matter what rules you have in place some spots will be better than others and will be favored by humans and AI no matter what. Would you agree?
Step 6. So why don't we rearrange map a little bit and keep in place something that was working just fine for the last 2 years?
Step 1. Think Britain, for example. The island has 22 tiles, 13 of which are resource tiles. 60%. Things look even scarier in Indochina, and many other useful places. Compared to vanila we do have general overabundance of resources. Would you agree with that?
Step 2. Most cities in RL did in fact find their locations because people decided to settle "on" the resources, given the scale of the tile in global mod. There are mining towns. There are coal towns. There are gold rush towns. There is even Uranium City. You can interpret city tile like this: what did original founders of the city did shortly after they settled. Working tiles in BFC (countryside) is a subsequent development (unless it is a fisherman village). Would you agree that many important cities did settle on resources, given the scale of the map?
Step 3. Vanila BTS punishes settling on resources. Resources there make 10-15 % of useful land tiles, not 60%. What if they they had the opposite rule by default? Would you come up with idea of deliberately changing vanila while modding this global mod?
Step 4. What is your problem to begin with? When one settles a city it does automatically improve city tile, correct? It gets there road and a farm, and later one gets a railroad for free. What is the logical contradiction if the city automatically improves it's tile in accordance with what that tile is, not just a farm every time?
Step 5. If you have answered something like -- resources make settling too deterministic to my taste, I would say -- how about now? No matter what rules you have in place some spots will be better than others and will be favored by humans and AI no matter what. Would you agree?
Step 6. So why don't we rearrange map a little bit and keep in place something that was working just fine for the last 2 years?
The stern parent lecture, seriously?
Novicenoble
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But the point that compared to scale of the map, still many cities are founded on resources is true.
Tigranes
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If that was your perception
Now when we done with emotions, can we get back to business please?
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