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[Lexicus]

So the real question is why anyone who was freaking out over the 10% going to the 21% doesn't support Medicare for all which would bring the 10% down to a 0%.

 

[Cutlass]

So the real question is why anyone who was freaking out over the 10% going to the 21% doesn't support Medicare for all which would bring the 10% down to a 0%.

They prefer dead Americans.

 

[Borachio]

That's a really interesting situation.

The conundrum is how the US, the richest country, paying the most for health care, can't, or doesn't want to, afford a universal health care system.

But the root of the current system, Palmer says, can be found in World War II. In 1943 president Franklin D. Roosevelt imposed an effective freeze on labor wages, and companies started offering health and pension benefits as a way to retain workers instead. This was the beginning of employer-sponsored healthcare, though there was no government mandate to offer it (except in Hawaii). Unions began negotiating the benefits as part of what they could obtain for workers. The rest of the population wasn’t covered, but it meant the unions didn’t put pressure on the government to create a public health system.

https://qz.com/1022831/why-doesnt-the-united-states-have-universal-health-care/

Another turning point, Palmer says, was an exceptionally successful campaign by Clem Whitaker and Leone Baxter, the founders of Campaigns, Inc.—”the first political consulting firm in the history of the world,” as The New Yorker’s Jill Lepore described it (paywall). On behalf of the California Medical Association, the two opposed California governor Earl Warren’s 1944 plan to introduce compulsory health insurance in the state, paid for through Social Security. Lepore explains that their slogan, “political medicine is bad medicine,” was used to lobby newspapers (with which they had advertising relations) and the population against government intervention in matters of health. They reminded people that what they called “socialized medicine” was a German invention—it came from the same country American soldiers were fighting abroad.

 

[warpus]

I mean here in Canada places of employment offer healthcare benefits too. As part of my work package I get free massages, 80% off dental, eyecare covered to a large degree, and a lot of other stuff. But we still have universal healthcare in the country. But I guess there's a different history and completely different politics

 

[Borachio]

There is a difference between what health professionals are paid in the UK and the US.

But it's nowhere near the big difference you seem to imply.

And, of course, the cost of qualifying as a doctor in the US is probably higher for the individual, too.

My point is that the difference between 16% and 8% GDP (which is truly immense!) is not explained by the differences in salaries.

 

[Borachio]

I'd agree.

A lot of it must go in administration and publicity costs for the competing insurance companies.

 

[Lexicus]

 

[warpus]

It's like the way communism in Poland was so ineffective. There was a ton of useless bureaucracy, a ton of useless middlemen and women, and not the way to go if you want an efficient system in place.

In the U.S. the healthcare system has all these middlemen and women who are there to just make money. It's not a system designed to be efficient, so it's not efficient.

 

[Cutlass]

There's an animated graph here that I can't copy over. The US is the only country where increased healthcare spending does not result in improved healthcare outcomes.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

It's like the way communism in Poland was so ineffective. There was a ton of useless bureaucracy, a ton of useless middlemen and women, and not the way to go if you want an efficient system in place.

In the U.S. the healthcare system has all these middlemen and women who are there to just make money. It's not a system designed to be efficient, so it's not efficient.

This is exactly it. There are a million layers of middlemen. Gouging people for products that really can't avoid buying is one our nations biggest industries.

 

[Samez]

There's an animated graph here that I can't copy over. The US is the only country where increased healthcare spending does not result in improved healthcare outcomes.

Some interesting numbers - it seems like the nations with the highest live expectancy also have the highest suicide rates.
I am a bit shocked by the high infant mortality in the US - it seems to be the 4th highest out of the 35 listed after Chile, Turkey and Mexico. It also seems to be roughly twice as high as in the other western nations.

 

[Cutlass]

Some interesting numbers - it seems like the nations with the highest live expectancy also have the highest suicide rates.
I am a bit shocked by the high infant mortality in the US - it seems to be the 4th highest out of the 35 listed after Chile, Turkey and Mexico. It also seems to be roughly twice as high as in the other western nations.

"Pro-life" Americans could not possibly care less whether the children live or die. The only thing that matters to them is that the mother does not have a choice.

There is a very high correlation between which states have the most restrictions on abortion services:

And states that have high infant mortality:

Child mortality as a whole:

And the deaths of the mothers themselves:

 

[Hrothbern]

"Pro-life" Americans could not possibly care less whether the children live or die. The only thing that matters to them is that the mother does not have a choice.

There is a very high correlation between which states have the most restrictions on abortion services:

And states that have high infant mortality:

Child mortality as a whole:

And the deaths of the mothers themselves:

Is there also a correlation with the amount of prison years ?

From something like: less abortions, more too young mothers with less chance to raise children in stability, more youth crime, more convictions etc ?

 

[Cutlass]

 

[Lexicus]

"Pro-life" Americans could not possibly care less whether the children live or die. The only thing that matters to them is that the mother does not have a choice.

Exactly this. The "pro-life" are better known as prohibitionists or something similar because some very large proportion of them support policies that demonstrably lead to more death and in particular to more preventable child deaths.

 

[warpus]

Is that due to institutional racism?

 

[Farm Boy]

"Pro-life" Americans could not possibly care less whether the children live or die. The only thing that matters to them is that the mother does not have a choice.

.!.. ..!.

 

[Lexicus]

.!.. ..!.

Yep, no other response except to get mad at someone pointing out the truth.

 

[Farm Boy]

Troof. I has a troof. It my troof. It's spethal. Only spethal people get my troof.

-Lex

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[Borachio]

Yep, no other response except to get mad at someone pointing out the truth.

It could certainly be true of some people who label themselves as "pro-life", but you'd have to explain it to me in words of one syllable or less how you'd know that it applies to all of them.