[RD] Daily Graphs and Charts

[El_Machinae]

Ultimately we are going to need the Western governments to get in the game here. It's not going to be easy, it's not going to be painless, it's not going to be accomplished only with individual lifestyle changes.

Absolutely. That's when I point out to 'that person' that India and China are doing "pretty good" on any metric they wish to measure under, compared to the US (and Canada). It usually ends up being "the Chinese person has one quarter of the emissions you do, but spends basically the same percentage of their taxes as you do on climate change, despite us being richer."

It's trying to figure out how to convince people to not deflect with "what about China????"

 

[Samson]

cash for clunkers

Cash for clunkers is a great way to subsidies the global automobile industry with taxpay dollars. It MAY have some positive effect on local pollution if you can manage to legislate emissions in a meaningful way. It is quite counter productive if you want to reduce CO2 production.

 

[Lohrenswald]

This seems kinda rubbish

Spoiler :

 

[warpus]

Maybe there's something to it, I usually eat sandwiches alone, but sushi with friends

 

[GoodSarmatian]

The reasoning is probably that rice cultivation is more labor intensive and requires large scale irrigation.
Basically old Hydraulic/Oriental Despotism fantasy which might have a kernel (ha ha) of truth in it but is oveall a stupidly simplistic generalization and turns into utter nonsense when you take it to analytical vs holistic thinking as if those are two opposites.

 

[Hrothbern]

large scale irrigation

I guess that makes working together also important

 

[Hrothbern]

Rice-Wheat global

 

[Lexicus]

Looks like there is some significant overlap in certain areas.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Now I want to see the same thing for corn and why those regions become disfunctional banana republics.

 

[Arakhor]

I assume that you mean maize? Corn is often just the generic name for the most common grain grown in the region.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I thought it's the same since Americans say corn when they mean maize.

 

[Lexicus]

I assume that you mean maize? Corn is often just the generic name for the most common grain grown in the region.

In Amerdican English we use corn to mean maize. I used to not know this, and so consequently I thought that the many references to "corn" in Conn Iggulden's historical fiction series about Julius Caesar (which are meh novels but absolutely awful history) meant that Conn Iggulden thought the ancient Romans grew maize...which gave me awesome feelings of mental superiority at the age of 14 or so.

 

[warpus]

What do the Chinese use all that wheat for btw? Is it exported?

 

[Hrothbern]

Now I want to see the same thing for corn and why those regions become disfunctional banana republics.

I looked for Corn and found one,

But it was only for the US

 

[Hrothbern]

What do the Chinese use all that wheat for btw? Is it exported?

For pork ?

Though... It must be more than that, because they are the biggest wheat producer in the world

 

[warpus]

Yeah is that what pigs eat? I was trying to figure out what Chinese dishes have wheat in them.. some noodles come to mind, some varieties of cow mein (edit: lol chow mein) I think.. but.. I can't think of many. You gotta be right with the pigs, or they export most of it

 

[Hrothbern]

Yeah is that what pigs eat? I was trying to figure out what Chinese dishes have wheat in them.. some noodles come to mind, some varieties of cow mein I think.. but.. I can't think of many. You gotta be right with the pigs, or they export most of it

With food as hobby I was interested in that pasta use as well

So what I got from some searching is that more than 80% is milled and consumed by Chinese. I guess mainly pasta.
The amount of wheat for feed (pork) was only 5%
From this old report of 2003: http://muehlenchemie.de/downloads-future-of-flour/FoF_Kap_08.pdf

What supports that pasta is that China took decades ago already an interest in Italian wheat species. Durum is the normal Italian choice (lots of gluten), but Triticum aestivum L., a "strong wheat" was investigated by Chinese for industrialised pasta production: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3528331/

Surprising for me was the enormous wheat stock of China. Around 1 year consumption, double the amount of stock as the US.
Perhaps the unreliable climate plays a role (rain), which is getting worse with the current and forecasted climate changes for the wheat plains of China.
(The Chinese are using big research scale SilverIodide bombing of clouds to get rain at the right locations.... http://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...ter-so-its-building-rain-making-network-three )

However... I cannot escape the thought that China is building up a strong food export position for wheat, corn and soy for strategic geopolitical export (like Africa, that still faces a doubling of her population).
If they can now already supply their domestic demand, and have no doubt still much improvement potential left, they will likely become a big player on the global market.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

China doesn't export a lot of wheat, but it has over one and a half billion people that consume noodles, bread, cookies, beer....
Grain alcohol is also pretty popular, especially among old school party members.

 

[warpus]

With food as hobby I was interested in that pasta use as well

So what I got from some searching is that more than 80% is milled and consumed by Chinese. I guess mainly pasta.

We're talking Chinese style noodles used in stir fries and soups and such here, and not Italian dishes, right?

 

[Hrothbern]

We're talking Chinese style noodles used in stir fries and soups and such here, and not Italian dishes, right?

You can make noodles from almost anything.
Here in the Netherlands low-carb noodles are getting popular using all kinds of beans.
From rice you get very nice white noodles.
And the traditional Japanese noodle is made of buckwheat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soba
(which is BTW legions more healthy than noodles from wheat)

EDIT
I checked to be sure
on a side note
legend or fact

Marco Polo, the great Venetian explorer/merchant is said to have brought back with him from his fabled visits to China, noodles, which became the pasta that Italy is famed for today. To be more specific, the legend is that he brought back macaroni, which is today a generic term for all dried alimentary pastas

http://www.culinarylore.com/food-history:marco-polo-and-chinese-pasta