Darths and Droids Mafia- Game Thread

[edse]

From the update and what he claimed, only 1 killer changed, from SamSniped to JoanK. Seems like a weird move, being as they would of known that he was already being attacked. Also, as only 1 team was originally attacking Buddhafish, I wouldn't rule out the killers (or mafia teams) being able to communicate in some way...they couldn't of been sure he would of been attacked by someone other than them, unless they were relying on when he used his ability being able to change their target, as happened in 1 case.

Buddha: "me, topsecret and SamSniped is getting attacked."
Reality: "JoanK was attacked twice and Buddha once."

That means both topsecret's and SamSniped's attacker changed to JoanK.

 

[Mat93]

Buddha: "me, topsecret and SamSniped is getting attacked."
Reality: "JoanK was attacked twice and Buddha once."

That means both topsecret's and SamSniped's attacker changed to JoanK.

Oooops...apparently I have a bad memory today. Sorry, your right (although I think the rest of my post still works).

 

[traius]

Yeah, I was trying to figure out if a bus scenario could have played out, and I came up with 3:
All 3 killers changed. There is more than one way this could play out. But it does imply an odd "every killer scrambled" scenario, and could work with or without a bus. It would be strange only if killers panicking is strange.
2 killers changed: Buddha was bussed with joan, and the other two killers targeted joan and buddha. This actually makes sense, as killers are only moving to higher suspect townies, except why the BD would switch 1 known town with another is beyond me.
Lastly, 1 killer changes, to one of topsecret or samsniped from the other, and then that person was bussed with Joank.
I don't think any of these scenarios are overly credible though.

 

[traius]

Buddha: "me, topsecret and SamSniped is getting attacked."
Reality: "JoanK was attacked twice and Buddha once."

That means both topsecret's and SamSniped's attacker changed to JoanK.

So in summary, "two killers switched to a high priority townie" is the most likely scenario, which you have just described. You find that odd, but I think it makes sense. Buddha predicted 3 killers, and 3 killers there were, and he was attacked, so I think that confirms his tale.

 

[traius]

In the absence of him getting attacked, I see an interesting cover scenario where he is mafia and just know he's going toe send out all the killers tonight, but with him being attacked? It just doesn't make sense, unless the mafia also have a protecting power, and used both the protect and attack on him in the same night to establish a cover. That seems pretty damn unlikely....

 

[Backwards Logic]

lol wut? If I didn't use the power I'd be dead already, and you wouldn't have to consider voting me at all. I tried to get some votes to change, it backfired and I got even more votes centered on me instead, and I used the power. Pretty legitimate to me. Upgrading "maybe he could be mafia" to full FoS to you ninjacow.

As I pointed out earlier, you never tried to save anyone. You also made zero attempt to refute my claim, thus reinforcing its bogus-ness.

That's a pretty dumb vote.

choxorn is not evil enough to give the mafia a lynch-stop. He is evil enough to put a SK inside the mafia, but not give them a lynch-stop. That's a bit far for our GM.

That being said, traius has now used his ability. He is most likely now a vanilla townie. Or at least confirmed non-scum. Which is as good as townie if he has no ability.

So why vote for him? He is the least likely person to be scum now.

Never metagame the GM. Ever. While he's definitely not confirmed scum, the worst case scenario for the town is he is just that - a vanilla-ish townie. Lynching him again means zero risk to lynching someone with a true townie power.

Traius. The ability is typically an anti-town action, as taking away a lynch means 1) wasting another day lynching someone and 2) giving the mafia a 'free' night to kill (as it neutralizes the townies' 'vig' for one round). Not to mention you did a whole bunch of squirming yesterday and again so today when you received a vote.

 

[GenMarshall]

Vote: traius

 

[traius]

As I pointed out earlier, you never tried to save anyone. You also made zero attempt to refute my claim, thus reinforcing its bogus-ness.



Never metagame the GM. Ever. While he's definitely not confirmed scum, the worst case scenario for the town is he is just that - a vanilla-ish townie. Lynching him again means zero risk to lynching someone with a true townie power.

Traius. The ability is typically an anti-town action, as taking away a lynch means 1) wasting another day lynching someone and 2) giving the mafia a 'free' night to kill (as it neutralizes the townies' 'vig' for one round). Not to mention you did a whole bunch of squirming yesterday and again so today when you received a vote.

I totally tried to get votes off of buddha, so that I would not have to use my power. I had a gut-feeling that he was town, and knew no matter what, there was no case. I played it badly, I'll give you that, but I did try to sway votes off of buddha, knowing full-well that if I couldn't get votes on to anyone else, I could just save myself. Well, I got the votes off of buddha, but it went straight to me, guaranteeing I'd have to use my power anyway.

I say a power that stops a townie from being lynched is a power well-used. I also say lynching me again is the worst case-scenario; it would be better that I died last night than use my power and get lynched the next day, wasting two days on lynching one townie, making the night 'free' as you say. Not lynching a townie + night kills > lynching a townie + night kills, so the night wasn't "free" at all. The only thing that would make it "free" would be wasting another day lynching me. So now I FoS yet another person today ATPG, your off my list now I guess. Many other scummier people about.

 

[CivCube]

I'd rather get this out now rather than wait for others to claim I'm someone I'm not.

I'm Jango Fett and I want vengeance. I hate johnhughthom and everything he stands for. That said, I also want justice. My partner Dreadnought is dead but it's not clear if Kenobi even killed him. He will have to wait. I suspect my former employer is involved in this.

Traius would be a wasted vote. There's no point in voting for someone the mafia will just night-kill anyway. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'm going Vote: Darth Caesar on this one. Flying under the radar is still not a good idea, no matter how many games it works.

 

[Kennigit]

"Hi, my name is civcube and my cover role is jango fett"

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know what you're claiming to be (a certain whistling robot), but earlier you were (a certain comic relief cheddar monk), but even earlier you were claiming to be the robot again. But no one is challenging you on either role, when most likely both are in the game. Weird. So going to keep my FoS today.

I never claimed to be a cheddar monk. I may have made passing reference to them.

 

[Jarrema]

So my voting preference goes :Turquoiside, Ninja then a distant ATPG. As long as no one challenges his roles, I guess we may as well take them at face value.

well well well

I assume every mafia will get good cover role

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote Backwards Logic

 

[traius]

I never claimed to be a cheddar monk. I may have made passing reference to them.

yeah, in a later post I said replace "claim" with RP.

 

[Backwards Logic]

I totally tried to get votes off of buddha...

Give me some quotes when, because I can't for the life of me find it/them.

I say a power that stops a townie from being lynched is a power well-used. I also say lynching me again is the worst case-scenario; it would be better that I died last night than use my power and get lynched the next day, wasting two days on lynching one townie, making the night 'free' as you say. Not lynching a townie + night kills > lynching a townie + night kills, so the night wasn't "free" at all. The only thing that would make it "free" would be wasting another day lynching me. So now I FoS yet another person today ATPG, your off my list now I guess. Many other scummier people about.

If you were so certain Buddha was innocent, why not just use your ability? If a power that stops a townie from being lynched is a good thing, why did you only offer to use it once you were in the lead? It doesn't work both ways - If you thought Buddha was townie, you just would have used your ability to save him period. After all, your words, 'a power that stops a townie from being lynched is well-used.' Only after were you in the lead did you bring it up and suggest to use it for him. What were you trying to do, save it for someone who looked more townie? How do you determine that?

Basically it boils down to this. You claim you tried to save Buddha pre-ability claim. I can't find anything other than you accusing him and putting him further in the lead. You offered to use your ability on him should he be in the lead, but you only did that once you were in the lead. Your timing of everything looks more self-preservation that anything, way more so than trying to save Buddha as you claim. Lastly, the mafia won't attack you contrary to what others are thinking. Why would they? 1) I'm not the only one that still has suspicion on you - you don't night kill potential lynch fodder. 2) You burned your ability and if you're townie, you're 99.9% vanilla at this point. They'd go after more juicy targets, like masons and players with abilities that screw with their night kills.

 

[Jarrema]

Backward, you got my attention
unvote; vote: traius

 

[traius]

Give me some quotes when, because I can't for the life of me find it/them.



If you were so certain Buddha was innocent, why not just use your ability? If a power that stops a townie from being lynched is a good thing, why did you only offer to use it once you were in the lead? It doesn't work both ways - If you thought Buddha was townie, you just would have used your ability to save him period. After all, your words, 'a power that stops a townie from being lynched is well-used.' Only after were you in the lead did you bring it up and suggest to use it for him. What were you trying to do, save it for someone who looked more townie? How do you determine that?

Basically it boils down to this. You claim you tried to save Buddha pre-ability claim. I can't find anything other than you accusing him and putting him further in the lead. You offered to use your ability on him should he be in the lead, but you only did that once you were in the lead. Your timing of everything looks more self-preservation that anything, way more so than trying to save Buddha as you claim. Lastly, the mafia won't attack you contrary to what others are thinking. Why would they? 1) I'm not the only one that still has suspicion on you - you don't night kill potential lynch fodder. 2) You burned your ability and if you're townie, you're 99.9% vanilla at this point. They'd go after more juicy targets, like masons and players with abilities that screw with their night kills.

If self-preservation was my only goal, all I had to do was not speak when buddha was in the lead. That was all I would have had to do. The attempts may have been clumsy, but by doing/saying anything at all I prove my claim that my goal was to find a new lynch target.
Also, I never accused him. This was what I said:
Unvote Vote: Buddhafish. Town seems certain. I dunno, kinda liked my previous plan, but whatevs. Steal my thunder, I don't care. I never wanted the job anyway.
But I'm totally town, for anyone who is still voting for me.
Where I voted for him, and said I dunno, and then RP'd.
Then I said
"Have to agree with you. I'm town, and I have no real reason to suspect buddha is mafia (or town). Don't know what happened to today's lynch." At which point I'm not in the lead and don't have to say anything to live.
"unless you really read into him posting, quite a few times, after he says he is done posting, like zack apparently does. Dunno. Everything after that was a buddha bandwagon."
And finally
"You're asking me what makes me think I'm better? I know I'm town 100% Doesn't get more certain than that. So yes, I'll vote for someone else to save me. But I brought it up to lower the votes on me and buddha, so I'm willing to put my vote elsewhere too."
So.. that's where. And of course, I did change my vote. And then I proved what power I had when I was forced to save myself.
I stupidly didn't move my vote first, thinking I would tag on to wherever the moved to from buddha. I would have voted along with the people who changed votes. I probably should have started the vote changing in rerospect, but I didn't have any great suspicions. Just suspicions that the two top contenders for lynch were town, which I tried to circumvent, and any random lynch > town lynch or (in my opinion) most-likely-town lynch (which has proven to be almost certainly town).

 

[traius]

Unvote Vote: Backwards Logic
I am going to the doctor's and then driving to Toronto, so I'll be offline for the next 7-8 hours. Don't worry, I'm sure I'll be plenty verbose as always when I return.

 

[BSmith1068]

If you were so certain Buddha was innocent, why not just use your ability? If a power that stops a townie from being lynched is a good thing, why did you only offer to use it once you were in the lead? It doesn't work both ways - If you thought Buddha was townie, you just would have used your ability to save him period. After all, your words, 'a power that stops a townie from being lynched is well-used.' Only after were you in the lead did you bring it up and suggest to use it for him. What were you trying to do, save it for someone who looked more townie? How do you determine that?

A good example of this would be me stopping the Earthling lynch in the last Star Wars game. You use the ability, tell a couple of people that you trust that are doing it ahead of time (Including the guy you are saving), and Wala – instant town network opportunity.

Using the ability in purely a save-my-skin kind of way is not too beneficial to anyone.

vote: traius

 

[Takhisis]

OMGUS on Backwards Logic on Day Three? What the heck, FFoS:traius?

Also, pizza, why did you vote Backwards Logic? Once again you vote someone not in the lead and with no case. This is so unlike you that it's stretched around the entire universe and is coming from the other side as very much like you. Please explain.