Dawkins to arrest the Pope

RedRalph

Deity
Joined
Jun 12, 2007
Messages
20,708
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece

RICHARD DAWKINS, the atheist campaigner, is planning a legal ambush to have the Pope arrested during his state visit to Britain “for crimes against humanity”.

Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the atheist author, have asked human rights lawyers to produce a case for charging Pope Benedict XVI over his alleged cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church.

The pair believe they can exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, when he visited Britain in 1998.

The Pope was embroiled in new controversy this weekend over a letter he signed arguing that the “good of the universal church” should be considered against the defrocking of an American priest who committed sex offences against two boys. It was dated 1985, when he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which deals with sex abuse cases.

Benedict will be in Britain between September 16 and 19, visiting London, Glasgow and Coventry, where he will beatify Cardinal John Henry Newman, the 19th-century theologian.

Dawkins and Hitchens believe the Pope would be unable to claim diplomatic immunity from arrest because, although his tour is categorised as a state visit, he is not the head of a state recognised by the United Nations.

They have commissioned the barrister Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens, a solicitor, to present a justification for legal action.

The lawyers believe they can ask the Crown Prosecution Service to initiate criminal proceedings against the Pope, launch their own civil action against him or refer his case to the International Criminal Court.

Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, said: “This is a man whose first instinct when his priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and damn the young victims to silence.”

Hitchens, author of God Is Not Great, said: “This man is not above or outside the law. The institutionalised concealment of child rape is a crime under any law and demands not private ceremonies of repentance or church-funded payoffs, but justice and punishment."

Last year pro-Palestinian activists persuaded a British judge to issue an arrest warrant for Tzipi Livni, the Israeli politician, for offences allegedly committed during the 2008-09 conflict in Gaza. The warrant was withdrawn after Livni cancelled her planned trip to the UK.

“There is every possibility of legal action against the Pope occurring,” said Stephens. “Geoffrey and I have both come to the view that the Vatican is not actually a state in international law. It is not recognised by the UN, it does not have borders that are policed and its relations are not of a full diplomatic nature.”

If this happens, I will be happy beyond words.

But we all know it won't. Nonetheless, does he have any grounds, legally? If this was someone less powerful than the Pope, might this actually work?
 
The grounds is presumably universal jurisdiction?
 
Although I approve of provoking religious people every chance we get, this is lame. The case is not solid and it can't succeed simply because there is not enough solid evidence against Benedict XVI.

I'd be happier if they added other crimes of religion (mental child abuse to name just one) to the list and used it to legally force strict separation of religion and the state, on all imaginable levels.
 
I respect Dawkins alot, but I think someone needs to reign him in on this one. This is a foolish stunt. What's it supposed to achieve? The only thing I can see it doing is giving ammunition for religious nuts to do the "Halp! I'm being oppressed!" dance. There's nothing religion loves more than having its persecution complex fed.
 
Dawkins and Hitchens prove themselves to be even more ridiculous then is already immediately obvious when reading their books. If they manage to produce an arrest warrant on such shaky grounds what's to stop the Pope just cancelling his visit to the UK?

I do not support the Catholic Church, but militant atheists are just pathetic.
 
Please, try to arrest the Pope in the Vatican if only to get gunned down live on camera by the Swiss Guard.. wearing these.

Swiss_Guard.jpg


And this is ******** on some many levels.
 
Dawkins and Hitchens prove themselves to be even more ridiculous then is already immediately obvious when reading their books. If they manage to produce an arrest warrant on such shaky grounds what's to stop the Pope just cancelling his visit to the UK?

I do not support the Catholic Church, but militant atheists are just pathetic.

what is militant about filing a law suit?
 
I do not support the Catholic Church, but militant atheists are just pathetic.

:lmao:

Yup - religions are responsible for daily slaughter of something between dozens and hundreds of people, for almost EVERY major conflict on this planet, for continual degradation of human beings and MASSIVE human rights violations, but we're supposed to respect that. Nono, religions are good, you must respect people's faith*. But the moment an atheist dares to object to this, he's militant.

How on Earth could this be considered as a militant posture?

(* and why the hell should I respect faith when faith doesn't respect anything, specially not rational thought and human dignity?)
 
Will no one rid us of this turbulent atheist?

Really, why all the stupid antics? The guy gives atheists a bad name.
 
I'm not saying his particular act of trying to arrest the Pope is militant. However he is a militant atheist. It's what he identifies as being himself. His book is a joke as any Theologian will tell you.
 
:lmao:

Yup - religions are responsible for daily slaughter of something between dozens and hundreds of people, for almost EVERY major conflict on this planet, for continual degradation of human beings and MASSIVE human rights violations, but we're supposed to respect that. Nono, religions are good, you must respect people's faith*. But the moment an atheist dares to object to this, he's militant.

How on Earth could this be considered as a militant posture?

(* and why the hell should I respect faith when faith doesn't respect anything, specially not rational thought and human dignity?)

Like I said, I'm not a Catholic. I'm a modern Christian/Unitarian and my religion does none of those things.
 
Like I said, I'm not a Catholic. I'm a modern Christian/Unitarian and my religion does none of those things.

Your particular brand of religious delusion is completely irrelevant - it's religious faith which causes all these things on daily basis. In any case, it has nothing to do with what I said - you have absolutely no right to call Dawkins a "militant" atheist, because unlike millions upon millions of believers, he never uses violence to advance his agenda.
 
Back
Top Bottom