Dawkins to arrest the Pope

[Aquila SPQR]

Dawkins - I beg you - do it!

 

[Algeroth]

The article states the argument that the Pope is not either.

The article is wrong.

 

[Snorrius]

Religion does cause wars. Not all wars are religious; not all wars that are superficially religious have religious causes (eg Northern Ireland, which is superficially about religion but is truly about ethnicity).

But that's not to say religion never causes wars, because it does. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Muslims were the same ethnicity; divided only by religion. The Religious Wars in France were about nothing but religion. And so on.

While I agree with these I shoud note that those war are ideological wars, the belief which god is cooler or whose set of god-given rules are truer is still part of ideological spectre. It means that elimination of God will not solve these problem. It could make Serbians and Bosnian Muslims a single nation but will not prevent other similar struggles, for example which kind of economical paradise humanity should prefer. That's why blaming faith into existing of God in all sins possible is counter-productive. The object of belief is not that important.

It must mentioned though that whilie it is not belief into existing of God per se which leads to all kind of atrocitites described by Winner, specific religions like any other ideologies may have a set of drawbackes of course.

 

[Snorrius]

Would you say if Dawkins did this, he'd be a... SAVIOR? To the world?

Hardly. The Pope is easy target to pick on. If he would challenge the Supreme Leader of Iran - that would be cool indeed.

 

[emzie]

Hardly. The Pope is easy target to pick on. If he would challenge the Supreme Leader of Iran - that would be cool indeed.

If I ever go into game development, this will be my street fighter-esque game, Holy Wars

 

[GoodGame]

I hope this isn't an ad campaign for another book.

 

[emzie]

I hope this isn't an ad campaign for another book.

He's working on a devious book right now... a children's book aimed at explaining ancient myths through science.

 

[naterator]

His book is a joke as any Theologian will tell you.

... Really? Well i'm sure most atheists would call the bible a joke as well. Clearly disregarding opposing sides book reviews is a 2 way-street.

Did God said to Moses "abuse the child"?

Of course not, god loves children and would never endorse their harm.....

 

[Lone Wolf]

The Dawkins thing looks like a "look at me!" stunt. My option of Dawkins has gone down somewhat, not that it was that high or low in the first place.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

If it's legally possible I'd support it, but either way it simply won't happen. The Pope lives in a bubble where rule of law is something that happens to other people.

 

[Winner]

Now I remember why I don't discuss religion with atheists.

Because they are impervious to religious illogic? Because they're right about religion being totally ridiculous and incapable of defending its ludicrous claims?

I noticed people are using the smiley I suggested and got added to the site!

I'd actually seen it elsewhere and I loved it so much that I saved the link and used it as "external smiley" on this forum even before this one was added

 

[RedRalph]

Do you think I expected RWW to cheer for Bush' and Blairs most rabid lapdog?

As well you know lad, Dawkins is the one I'm cheering for.

 

[MobBoss]

As well you know lad, Dawkins is the one I'm cheering for.

I am cheering for Dawkins to do this too. The more completely insane things done like this will only go further to prove how fringey, crazy and utterly bonkers atheists can get just like everyone else.

Really stupid move on Dawkins part, so I really hope he tries it.

We should just simply label atheisim a religion and move on to the next issue. If they want to act like nutty rligious fanatics then simply just lump them in with the rest of the ultra-fringe crazyies and move on.

 

[holy king]

there is no atheism-religion culture war in the real world. you can go home mobby.

 

[Murky]

It does make you wonder how far someone as high ranking as the pope would have to go before he is arrested and brought to trial. Is he above the law? Is anyone? What would be the deal breaker?

 

[Winner]

Winner and his hero worship.

Because agreeing with someone is the same as worshipping him... Right?

Too bad I don't fit in, because I don't actually support arresting Benedict XVI.

It does not require to be belief in God to make all or some of this things. Any Higher Goal will do. Religion is just a subset of ideology. Communism, democracy (US-style), right for self-determination for nation are excellent examples of ideologies which along with benefits had a lot of drawbacks. That's why the belief in God(s) is/are not the problem itself and is not root of the aforementioned things.

I agree that religion is not the only belief system which causes short-circuits the brain - nationalism and some of the totalitarian ideologies based on leadership figure cult actually come very close to being "religion-like".

Nationalist logic is almost as flawed as the religious one. "We must do this. Why? It's good for the nation. But it's evil! Our great nation's interest are above every other consideration. I can't in good conscience do this. Traitors must be shot!"

And while I can see why some of religions can be blamed of homophobia in homophilic countries and oppression of women in emancipated (due to being created in olden times), they are rarely real reasons of wars and genocides which usually have reasoned and cynical reasons behind. And which relation child abuse have with religions I do not understand. Did God said to Moses "abuse the child"?

I meant mental child abuse - the disgusting tendency of religions (and other pseudo-religious belief systems) to indoctrinate children.

You don't need solid evidence to arrest someone, you need solid evidence to convict someone.

That would be kind of embarrassing and counter-productive.

 

[Murky]

If it were just some high school principle covering up for a teacher's sex abuse the principal would go down pretty fast I should think.

What is the tipping point for the Pope?

 

[MobBoss]

there is no atheism-religion culture war in the real world. you can go home mobby.

Rofl. This guy is going to try and arrest the pope of all people for crimes against humanity.

Do you realize how silly it is to assert there is no culture war in the face of that? Of course there is. Your jedi mind powers wont work on me!!

 

[Richard Cribb]

As well you know lad, Dawkins is the one I'm cheering for.

Now isn't that wonderful, lad.
May I ask why?
Especially if you consider that I referred to that fat, slob of an ex-trot which goes by the name of Christopher Hitchens in my post.
EDIT: Just noticed the sig of Mobboss. Nice to know that I am not the only one here to appreciate the great musical dramas by those excellent gentlemen Mr.Gilbert and Mr.Sullivan.

 

[cardgame]

If it were just some high school principle covering up for a teacher's sex abuse the principal would go down pretty fast I should think.

What is the tipping point for the Pope?

This. Why is the Pope above the law?