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Dear American liberals, why do you so rarely actually ask questions?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by metatron, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. Gori the Grey

    Gori the Grey The Poster

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    Yeah, just no. His show is a comedy show that draws on material provided by journalists covering current events.
     
  2. metatron

    metatron deplorable ally

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    I'll ignore your EU dis.^^
    Anyway, elections in other countries do affect you. You may argue that the effect is small but still.
    Anyway, that's not the point. The point is letting foreigners talk when you actually can be bothered to care about something they do. You know instead of having outsider (and be they Canadians or Brits) talk about them.

    Let me give another simple example:
    People had a lot to say about the Finnish school system. And most of the time when Americans investigated the matter they overemphasized factors relevant to their own politics. I.e. liberals claimed it was the socialism and conservatives claimed Finnish teachers were better.
    In reality it's both and it's many more things, many of which are not partisan in US terms one way or the other.
    Oh i have some sundry paragraphs written as to-be-parts of that and i intend to do it at some point.
    Exactly my point. I would even grant that the difference between US liberals and conservatives is still substancial. But it's collapsing rapidly since 2014.
    I have a whole, largely undefined, theory about US liberalism taking a turn towards ballistic injury of the pedes in 2014. But that's neither here not there.
    My life is mess right now and my points don't come out as clear. Sorry.
    I suppose my thinking there is... it's kind of comedy and it's also not.
    Oliver has such an air of intellectual seriousness and docutainment and smug preachy knowingness.
    He's approaching John Green levels of disgusting without the actual charm of John Green.
    That should count for something.
    I don't know if it counts for my point here. Fair enough.

    (I already addressed, implicitly, John Oliver technically being a foreigner - it doesn't matter in my view).
    I missed that. 3000 posts. These are wonderful answers.
    Two things:
    1. I don't want to selectively and ommisively (i know something about some of these courts and nothing about others) comment on these, but be advised:
    The US has an extraordinarily strong court. Many countries have weaker courts which sometimes can't overturn law at all. Usually this is based on a notion of a strong parliament. The UK for example is reknowned for having a weak court (and the things they had before - it's complicated).
    The Federal Republic is a wholesome example because it has a similarly strong court by orginal design. And Canada is a wholesome example because they not only changed all manner of things, but also deliberately strengthened their court.
    2. @Wastl gave you a very correct and very German (no offense) answer.
    My point about this is: We require stupid level supermajorities that are just unworkable, so there's a gentleman's agreement where parties take turns.
    This leads to judges with eccentric ideological courage yet decent behavior who cancel each other out quite nicely and the court having an approval rating of about 107'%.
    I.e. It's like West Wing's "The Supremes".
    (@Gori the Grey , it's not history but we shall note that the above is written by a woman and directed by a woman).
    Of course.
    But being more specific about this involves being slightly tough on Canada. And i wanted to not do that for once, in general, and i really like the supreme court reforms in Canada as well as Justice McLachlin.
    [...]

    Edit: And because i want to stick to that i just deleted most of my reply to you.
    I am sure you understand that i could qualify my point to the effect of implicating portions of the Anglosphere as well as places outside of it in all manner of comparisons or rankings.
    Never mind the arguably univeral tendency at play here. /edit
    Yes. No.
    Political comedy matters. By default.
    And there is a trend where bad news and good comedy arguably pass each other.
     
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  3. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    There was no dis, just a statement of fact. When the EU looked like a viable entity representing a unified economic unit larger than China it was important. Breaking down into the old petty sized economic units and squabbling like children makes them irrelevant. So the result is that no, we just don't care what they do. That means that your point about how we behave when we care is irrelevant, because "when we care" is never.

    European states and politics are appropriate material for comedians, not serious discussion.

    What would matter, from an international politics standpoint, is the formation of a large enough and committed enough coalition to place any sort of restraints on US behavior. That would require, at a minimum, China and a united Europe. Russia and India might also be critical, and at the very least would be highly useful, but the most obviously insurmountable obstacle is that the petty states in Europe can't even cooperate with each other to rise out of complete irrelevance so the chances of forming a larger coalition are ZERO.

    When there is the slightest sign of that changing send up a flare.
     
  4. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    Dude, that's just the British accent.

    In Murican films/TV they use a British accent as a way to shortcut-establish intellectual credibility and overall educated, erudite, smartypantsness. It works. I don't know if its the same in Allemagne... but I'm thinking it might be.

    I will also quickly acknowledge that there are multitude of different British accents and there is one type of accent in particular that I'm referring to. I don't know enough about the accents to make a more comprehensive differentiation... I am Murican afterall ;)
     
  5. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy I swear..

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    Lol, hehe. Yes!

    Since we're in the mood birthday boy, that leads back into about my favorite scene in that movie.

    Spoiler :
     
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  6. Lexicus

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    If so, it would be ironic since what is thought of today as a "British Accent" is actually thought to be an affectation by 18th century British elites to sound more...German.
     
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  7. Gori the Grey

    Gori the Grey The Poster

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    It's Sommer's birthday? Do we have a thread? I don't see a thread. Don't we usually have a thread?

    Happy birthday Sommer!
     
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  8. innonimatu

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    If you think you are a victim of anything, prove it. Or shut up with the victim talk. Your sex is absolutely irrelevant to that standard of proof.

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    Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
     
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  9. Synsensa

    Synsensa Warlord Retired Moderator

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    Buddy boy, care to explain to us inferiors how one can realistically and consistently prove sexual harassment, assault, or rape?
     
  10. innonimatu

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    Puppy boy, care to explain to this ignorant one what becomes of presumption of innocence if a mere claim without proof can be used to bring someone down?

    Funny how the very same people who claim to be very worried about Trump abusing power are also so willing to throw away one of the most fundamental legal protections.
     
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  11. Synsensa

    Synsensa Warlord Retired Moderator

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    Oh, you're going the "COURT OF LAW" path again. I'll put up the "Wet Floor" sign so you're not disturbed.
     
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  12. Lexicus

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    THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES V BEERT KAVHGHGANF, IN THE
    COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION

    THE HON. JUDGE LEXICUS PRESIDING
     
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    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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  15. metatron

    metatron deplorable ally

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    Well, obviously that wouldn't aplly to me.
    His English accent is informed by the English equivalent of the more cliched portions of West Virginia.
    I am genuinely surprised here that Americans have this reaction not just to any, but - if you say so - all English accents.
    I allways thought it was only... well accents we would consider to have that effect, or for that matter the English would (and my idea would have been that with Americans the effect is just stronger).
     
  16. Sommerswerd

    Sommerswerd I never yielded

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    It wasn't obvious at all, that's why I asked you.

    Also, I did not say "all English accents". In fact I'm pretty sure I said the opposite... but whatevs
    So you do have the same thing going on with certain British accents... You just said "Well, obviously that wouldn't aplly to me." But then in the next sentence you admit that it does in fact apply to you.

    Anyway, like I said... whateves...
     
  17. bernie14

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    And people with german accents are either nazis or....

    *WARNING BETTER CALL SAUL SPOILER*

    Spoiler :
    really naive...i mean, amirite?
     
  18. Patine

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    Ah, an honest thread opening post title. Honest, in that the thread starter is admitting, by the title given to the thread, to being a "socio-political Manichaeist," with obviously the shallow, superficial, black-and-white, binary, over-simplistic, highly unrealistic, solidly stereotyped, absolutist, and lacking all REAL understanding of how socio-political issues and paradigms actually work viewpoint, just replacing Manichaeism's "light" and "darkness" with "right-wing" and "left-wing" or "conservative" and "liberal" (an archetype who are growing in number in the world today - a phenomenon that is NOT good at all, but will,, at some point, have catastrophic results for the whole globe), and thus yet another fairy-tale, fantasy epic, space opera world view I can safely dismiss from now on.
     
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  19. metatron

    metatron deplorable ally

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    Your post appears to be rather antogonistic.
    My point is, in my ears and those of my people in general only certain English accents work that way. Generally there's a lot of overlap with the accents the English themselves deem "worthy" albeit for arguably different reasons.
    And then there's also an appreciation of certain American accents (which i suppose we value higher than Americans themselves do).
    In contrast to that - that's my growing impression at least - Americans appreciate most English accents that way, even Oliver's.
     
  20. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    I find it quaint that the denizens of small countries think that there are significant differences in accents from one end to the not very distant other end.
     

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